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From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/21/2003 10:13:19 PM | Message Detail | # 0001 |
If MA Source was based off GFH (proven fact), than isn't all MA Source under the GNU unless its a total re-write? |
From: I am not CJayC | Posted: 11/21/2003 10:24:28 PM | Message Detail | # 0002 |
Yes, it is. Are you saying that technically gg's source is under GNU, therefore she must distribute it when asked? --- http://mike.hypershadows.net http://tl.aquatakat.net |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/21/2003 10:36:00 PM | Message Detail | # 0003 |
Why, Yes Mike, after reading the GNU, If I say "gg, I would like a copy of your source distributed to me" I can get it...Why, maybe I'll say that. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 12:47:54 AM | Message Detail | # 0004 |
And I can ask for it. |
From: girlgamer44 | Posted: 11/22/2003 12:48:05 AM | Message Detail | # 0005 |
tell me what part of the GNU says that I have to distribute the software. --- girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 12:50:55 AM | Message Detail | # 0006 |
Have you read it, since its there. I'm too lazy to check now, since I'm tired, but when I wake up, I'll take a quick look. |
From: girlgamer44 | Posted: 11/22/2003 12:53:45 AM | Message Detail | # 0007 | ![]() |
Yep..I read it..and the FAQ. I just found out that a company has a copy of a GPL'ed program, and it costs money to get it. Aren't they violating the GPL by not making it available on the Internet? No. The GPL does not require anyone to use the Internet for distribution. It also does not require anyone in particular to redistribute the program. And (outside of one special case), even if someone does decide to redistribute the program sometimes, the GPL doesn't say he has to distribute a copy to you in particular, or any other person in particular. What the GPL requires is that he must have the freedom to distribute a copy to you if he wishes to. Once the copyright holder does distribute a copy program to someone, that someone can then redistribute the program to you, or to anyone else, as he sees fit. --- girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer. |
From: crimsonassassin | Posted: 11/22/2003 12:55:21 AM | Message Detail | # 0008 |
From: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html Does the GPL require that source code of modified versions be posted to the public? The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. Alright you have been proven stupid again Insder you may leave now. |
From: girlgamer44 | Posted: 11/22/2003 12:55:30 AM | Message Detail | # 0009 |
and...if I did distribute it..I could charge for it. (not for the source code itself..but for the 'transfer fee') Also..I could require a mailing address as I wouldn't have to distribute it over the internet. --- girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 11:04:03 AM | Message Detail | # 0010 |
Why, lets see, I had a little chat with Jay, creator of MA. Insder726: Jay, quick question.. omega helix z: k *** Auto-response sent to omega helix z: I'm asleep, and stuff. omega helix z: ... Insder726: Under the GNU, isn't MA source forced to be released? Insder726: I know, stupid Trillian. omega helix z: MA source was leaked remember Insder726: Yes, but, is it still under the GNU? omega helix z: actually yes omega helix z: it's based on GFH Insder726: And if yes, isn't any MA Source thats not a full re-write forced to released. Insder726: I know.. Insder726: to be released?* omega helix z: it should be Insder726: Hmm, so, lets see, gg's boards, the shitty ones, they're on a modified MA Source, meaning they're also on the GNU, and its forced to be released? Insder726: That would mean she'd be forced to release, No? omega helix z: yes |
From: The Cataclysm | Posted: 11/22/2003 12:11:20 PM | Message Detail | # 0011 |
Who to believe, Jay or the GNU site? Tough decision. In other words, shut the fuck up, insder. --- The only reason some people exist is because it is illegal to kill them. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 12:20:15 PM | Message Detail | # 0012 |
Yes, but who created MA Source? Jay did. Thus meaning he is correct, just like I am, unless you totally re-wrote it, it must be released. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 12:28:31 PM | Message Detail | # 0013 |
Or, from the GFH Readme, written by Neo, who wrote GFH, which MA Source is based off. No doubt you will hack up some custom configurations for you're message boards, even new features. For those of you that do, you should know that GFH is released under the GPL, and if you do any work for these message boards, you must make the source availble to the public, also releasing it under the GPL. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 12:37:39 PM | Message Detail | # 0014 |
The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. Making Message Boards is not private, its public, OWNED CA. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 12:40:46 PM | Message Detail | # 0015 |
<Jay using insder's account> "The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them." Yes, but you are not using it privately here. Let me use an example: Mozilla is an open-source program. If the source for it was released under the GNU GPL (not sure if it is), you could download the source, make a few modifications to it, compile it, and use it on your own computer without having to release the source with your modifications, because you are using it privately. However, it would be illegal for you to distribute that compiled version to the public without distributing the source code because at that moment it stops being "private". The same thing is applicable here. The MA source is technically licensed under the GNU GPL, and the equivalent of a compiled version of it is all the HTML pages it generates. Since you are making those available to the general public, the use is no longer private and you must therefore release the source with any modifications you've made to it, or else you run the risk of getting prosecuted for violating the license agreement. If you were running these boards on a private LAN for private use only, that would be perfectly all right. But you aren't. --- Jay |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 12:45:26 PM | Message Detail | # 0016 |
Thus, once again, CA is proven stupid, and gg is owned. Face the fact, Jay is right. |
From: miikrr x | Posted: 11/22/2003 12:56:07 PM | Message Detail | # 0017 |
I concur. --- Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jump over the candle-stick. |
From: miikrr x | Posted: 11/22/2003 01:06:06 PM | Message Detail | # 0018 |
Woah... didn't mean to make things worse... --- Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jump over the candle-stick. |
From: I am not CJayC | Posted: 11/22/2003 01:09:12 PM | Message Detail | # 0019 |
That still doesn't negate the fact that gg can charge for the release of the source. The GPL states that free software means freedom, not price. I see no way this makes ca or gg 'dumb'. --- http://mike.hypershadows.net http://tl.aquatakat.net |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 01:13:57 PM | Message Detail | # 0020 |
Does the GPL allow me to charge a fee for downloading the program from my site? Yes. You can charge any fee you wish for distributing a copy of the program. If you distribute binaries by download, you must provide "equivalent access" to download the source--therefore, the fee to download source may not be greater than the fee to download the binary. You are letting people use the message boards for free. If you want to distribute the source for money you are going to have to charge people an equal account to even visit the site altogether. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 01:27:20 PM | Message Detail | # 0021 |
Or maybe this is better. omega helix z: oh... actually Insder726: Yes.. Insder726: I thought that too. omega helix z: considering the source was leaked in the first place, technically I can get anyone distributing it or using it publicly in trouble Insder726: XD omega helix z: they should be lucky all I'm asking for is the source to be released because they are already in the palm of my hand. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 03:01:23 PM | Message Detail | # 0022 |
*bumps* |
From: girlgamer44 | Posted: 11/22/2003 04:57:42 PM | Message Detail | # 0023 |
I just found out that a company has a copy of a GPL'ed program, and it costs money to get it. Aren't they violating the GPL by not making it available on the Internet? No. The GPL does not require anyone to use the Internet for distribution. It also does not require anyone in particular to redistribute the program. And (outside of one special case), even if someone does decide to redistribute the program sometimes, the GPL doesn't say he has to distribute a copy to you in particular, or any other person in particular. What the GPL requires is that he must have the freedom to distribute a copy to you if he wishes to. Once the copyright holder does distribute a copy program to someone, that someone can then redistribute the program to you, or to anyone else, as he sees fit. I can't charge a fee for the code..but I can charge a fee for the transfer of the code. And..I don't have to have it available online. I can require your mailing address. --- girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer. |
From: miikrr x | Posted: 11/22/2003 05:04:40 PM | Message Detail | # 0024 |
How much are you asking for to distribute it to someone? --- Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jump over the candle-stick. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 05:05:21 PM | Message Detail | # 0025 |
Either way, the funny part is, Jay can get anyone in trouble. omega helix z: oh... actually Insder726: Yes.. Insder726: I thought that too. omega helix z: considering the source was leaked in the first place, technically I can get anyone distributing it or using it publicly in trouble Insder726: XD omega helix z: they should be lucky all I'm asking for is the source to be released because they are already in the palm of my hand. |
From: girlgamer44 | Posted: 11/22/2003 05:09:58 PM | Message Detail | # 0026 |
well..technically..if it was based off of GFH..he should have released it in the first place..(according to what he is saying)..so he would have been violating the GNU too. I'm not so sure that he could get those who use the leaked code in trouble then..if it was orginally supposed to be released. I'm not just going to believe what you guys say either. I'm going to email the GNU about it...and explain the situation --- girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer. |
From: crimsonassassin | Posted: 11/22/2003 05:14:06 PM | Message Detail | # 0027 |
By your reasoning... 1. GFH is under the GNL. 2. MA is based on GNL. 3. Thus MA is under GNL. 4. Anything modified under GNL must be released. 5. MA had to be released. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 05:20:34 PM | Message Detail | # 0028 |
It did, but since it was leaked, he can get anyone in trouble. MA is based off GFH, so yes, it is under the GNL, so any of modified versions MUST be released. |
From: Megatron | Posted: 11/22/2003 05:26:59 PM | Message Detail | # 0029 | ![]() |
this is a boring fight I see no flames, no sexual innuendos, no fuck you's, nothing good --- it's not the greatest place on earth, but you could do worse! http://tl.aquatakat.net http://flyingturkey.com |
From: flrx39 | Posted: 11/22/2003 05:31:07 PM | Message Detail | # 0030 |
Since GFH and MA source code had to be released anyways, having it leaked doesn't make a difference. It would only matter if a private source was leaked. Jay can't get anyone in trouble that way, although gg should release the source code since it is public. --- Name: James Location: Ontario, Canada |
From: girlgamer44 | Posted: 11/22/2003 05:33:31 PM | Message Detail | # 0031 |
and..was the MA source even legally leaked? I don't know the exact details. Isn't Counteray the one who 'leaked' it? He owned the website that it was hosted on..so Jay 'gave' it to him. So..did he have a right to release it? (even accidentally?) --- girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer. |
From: flrx39 | Posted: 11/22/2003 05:39:11 PM | Message Detail | # 0032 |
If it was public, then not only did he have the right, but he had an obligation to release it. --- Name: James Location: Ontario, Canada |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 05:41:31 PM | Message Detail | # 0033 |
I was planning on realeasing it a few days after Counteray had leaked it, but even so you're right; I still should have released it earlier. But it's out now, and it still does not void the license. While I can't get your site in trouble for using it, I can get people in trouble who host distributions of the source or any modifications of it that don't contain the GPL in them. If you ever release the source, you are going to have to put the GPL in it if you want to be within the legal bounds of the license. I just found out that a company has a copy of a GPL'ed program, and it costs money to get it. Aren't they violating the GPL by not making it available on the Internet? No. The GPL does not require anyone to use the Internet for distribution. It also does not require anyone in particular to redistribute the program. And (outside of one special case), even if someone does decide to redistribute the program sometimes, the GPL doesn't say he has to distribute a copy to you in particular, or any other person in particular. What the GPL requires is that he must have the freedom to distribute a copy to you if he wishes to. Once the copyright holder does distribute a copy program to someone, that someone can then redistribute the program to you, or to anyone else, as he sees fit. This is referring to redistribution and programs that cost money, which is not the case here. This is irrelevant. And what's your problem anyway gg? Who the hell cares? Just release the source so you can avoid all this arguing and legal trouble, it's not like it's going to cause the world to explode or anything. And besides, what's so important about your modifications that they have to stay secret? You've barely done anything innovative or even halfway-decent. Just save yourself the hassle and do it now Why Insder really wants you to, I have no idea. Just do it to shut me and him up. --- Jay |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 05:55:28 PM | Message Detail | # 0034 |
This is all to piss you off. Mostly because I can do it. |
From: girlgamer44 | Posted: 11/22/2003 05:56:59 PM | Message Detail | # 0035 |
there's stuff that I added to my source that are customized to this particular set of boards. there's stuff that I don't want people to see in it like extra 'security' shit. and Insder is just an asshole...he's only giving me a hard time because he is looking for something to do --- girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer. |
From: girlgamer44 | Posted: 11/22/2003 05:57:49 PM | Message Detail | # 0036 |
yeah..like I said..you're just being an asshole. --- girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 05:57:52 PM | Message Detail | # 0037 |
Your correct on that one. Now, you HAVE to release your source, you do know that? |
From: Megatron | Posted: 11/22/2003 05:58:33 PM | Message Detail | # 0038 |
finally, real fighting --- it's not the greatest place on earth, but you could do worse! http://tl.aquatakat.net http://flyingturkey.com |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 06:00:12 PM | Message Detail | # 0039 |
Well, she does have to release it, Eggy. |
From: Raijin Vegeku | Posted: 11/22/2003 06:01:56 PM | Message Detail | # 0040 |
Hey Jay, I feel an obligation to sue you for putting a back-door in your source that allows you to access my private information. |
From: Raijin Vegeku | Posted: 11/22/2003 06:02:54 PM | Message Detail | # 0041 |
Now THAT is against a few laws. |
From: I am not CJayC | Posted: 11/22/2003 06:03:39 PM | Message Detail | # 0042 |
Yes, Mr. Giguere, please explain why you did that. --- http://mike.hypershadows.net http://tl.aquatakat.net |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 06:06:38 PM | Message Detail | # 0043 |
Not really. If you knew PHP, you'd be able to fix it. |
From: girlgamer44 | Posted: 11/22/2003 06:06:54 PM | Message Detail | # 0044 |
Insder...there are some complications with what you are saying. I want to see how the gnu responds to the email. Anyways...it's 7pm on Saturday night. I've got better things to do now...bye --- girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 06:07:49 PM | Message Detail | # 0045 |
"Hey Jay, I feel an obligation to sue you for putting a back-door in your source that allows you to access my private information." What the fuck are you talking about? |
From: Raijin Vegeku | Posted: 11/22/2003 06:07:53 PM | Message Detail | # 0046 |
Mr. Giguere, I do know PHP, that's why I knew that it was there and how to fix it. Try to make your little back-door account "Jay" at my site, it'll just stick you at the Certified Ass level. |
From: Raijin Vegeku | Posted: 11/22/2003 06:08:43 PM | Message Detail | # 0047 |
Your little backdoor that sets you at the admin level. I know what it is. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 06:08:48 PM | Message Detail | # 0048 |
XD This isn't Jay, dumbfuck, Its The Insder. |
From: Raijin Vegeku | Posted: 11/22/2003 06:11:35 PM | Message Detail | # 0049 |
You're right, it isn't the account Jay, but it's owner is none other that Jay Giguere. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 06:12:16 PM | Message Detail | # 0050 |
Oh, gg, its Saturday Night, and you have better things to do? Like what, laying guilt on Egg? |
From: Raijin Vegeku | Posted: 11/22/2003 06:13:01 PM | Message Detail | # 0051 |
Yeah, if it wasn't for Mr. Moron, she probably would be doing other things. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 06:13:13 PM | Message Detail | # 0052 |
No...Jay is borrowing the account. |
From: Raijin Vegeku | Posted: 11/22/2003 06:15:19 PM | Message Detail | # 0053 |
Good for him. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 06:17:35 PM | Message Detail | # 0054 |
Who's "Jay Giguere"? And aren't you that little turd who said MA source was the best source ever (despite it being filled with bugs and glitches)? And by the way, that little thing stuck in OB3 source to make me an admin is not a backdoor. If you leave that in I will not abuse anything because if you allow me to be an admin on a site in which you use my message board code, you are a decent human who is grateful when he recieves good things. If you can understand that and leave that little bit in, I have respect for you and thus will not abuse the privileges given to me because I'm not an asshole. And even if you were intent on getting rid of it, it's so obvious, anyone could notice it within a few seconds. Congratulations, you're not slightly less of an idiot. You can't sue me over retarded shit like that. You'd get laughed out of court. --- Jay |
From: Dauros the Deity | Posted: 11/22/2003 07:17:11 PM | Message Detail | # 0055 |
I have to post, although I have nothing productive to say. >.> <.< --- Why should you win the CRBL?: I don't wear pants.- DarkX0 Beaban! |
From: miikrr x | Posted: 11/22/2003 07:53:23 PM | Message Detail | # 0056 |
"Jay's" name isn't even "Jay," it's Prometheus. --- Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jump over the candle-stick. |
From: Dauros the Deity | Posted: 11/22/2003 07:56:29 PM | Message Detail | # 0057 |
My real name is Hideskalonn. --- Why should you win the CRBL?: I don't wear pants.- DarkX0 Beaban! |
From: the Spectre | Posted: 11/22/2003 08:03:31 PM | Message Detail | # 0058 |
dats cool. --- "Um, no offense, but since I met you on GameFAQs I'm guessing the answer's no... still, uh, you have much relationship experience?" - RowanValentine |
From: Raijin Vegeku | Posted: 11/22/2003 08:10:21 PM | Message Detail | # 0059 |
Okay, Insider, I'm not the little turd going MA is the best source, and that statement right there just proves the fact that you would abuse your priveleges if I left that back-door in. You must really think that I'm stupid. |
From: Raijin Vegeku | Posted: 11/22/2003 08:12:44 PM | Message Detail | # 0060 |
Anyways, as of two days ago, my boards aren't based on MA. |
From: miikrr x | Posted: 11/22/2003 08:15:15 PM | Message Detail | # 0061 |
Are they based off OB3? --- Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jump over the candle-stick. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 08:29:13 PM | Message Detail | # 0062 |
Dear God, do you read the sig? Number One, Jay posted that, and Number Two, the Insder. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 08:42:01 PM | Message Detail | # 0063 |
"I'm not the little turd going MA is the best source, and that statement right there just proves the fact that you would abuse your priveleges if I left that back-door in. You must really think that I'm stupid." What the fuck? No it doesn't, you just tried to create some ridiculously flawed logic out of two completely unrelated things. And no, I don't think you're that stupid, I know you're that stupid. And if you still don't trust me on that admin thing, try me. Make me an admin when you set up your boards and give me a chance to prove myself. I'm no bullshitter. --- Jay |
From: Raijin Vegeku | Posted: 11/22/2003 08:52:08 PM | Message Detail | # 0064 |
You sure are acting like one. Even my friend that I've known for months isn't an admin, yet you, who I don't trust the tiniest little bit, think that I'll let you be an admin? No way, no how, dream on. Also, to the poster above, they are a modified OB3 source. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 08:52:52 PM | Message Detail | # 0065 |
Then they are under the GNU, and are forced to be released, have a nice day. |
From: I am not CJayC | Posted: 11/22/2003 08:56:19 PM | Message Detail | # 0066 |
Tell me, Jay, does this look like someone friendly enough to be admin? mysql_query('UPDATE users SET level = 60 WHERE username = "Jay"'); // Because I am your god. Bow. // And a word to the wise: Don't be an ungrateful little bitch. Bad things come to those who don't appreciate gifts. I don't think so. If you want to be admin, earn it. Be responsible. Because of the fact that you put that in, I don't think you even feel that you would be able to earn the trust. --- http://mike.hypershadows.net http://tl.aquatakat.net |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 09:01:37 PM | Message Detail | # 0067 |
Jay is trust-worthy. Do you think he WANTED MA Source out there? Do you think he just wants somebody who knows NO php to make any board they choose? No, he has to take out the Non-coders from the Coders. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 09:19:59 PM | Message Detail | # 0068 |
I am plenty trustworthy. You people just are too stupid to realize that and are too stubborn to even give me a chance. All you can do is assume that I'll mess up stuff, even though I've said I won't. I'm no liar, dishonesty is for lamers. I will always stick to my word. Shame on you, fools. |
From: RivanPhantasm | Posted: 11/22/2003 09:34:24 PM | Message Detail | # 0069 |
If I ever do make boards (yes, if I learn PHP and code my own original boards) I will make Jay an admin anyway. --- yarjar I always get A's on my fucking exams. It gets a bit messy at the end, though. - animorph |
From: crimsonassassin | Posted: 11/22/2003 09:36:43 PM | Message Detail | # 0070 |
I will always stick to my word. Want me to testify that those words are bullshit Insder...? |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 09:42:42 PM | Message Detail | # 0071 |
Damn it, Jay, put a fucking sig under your posts, I tell you that EVERY time. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 09:49:47 PM | Message Detail | # 0072 |
I forgot. >_> --- Jay |
From: I am not CJayC | Posted: 11/22/2003 09:52:13 PM | Message Detail | # 0073 |
Jay, if you are trustworthy, then you shouldn't force OB3 owners to make you admin. --- http://mike.hypershadows.net http://tl.aquatakat.net |
From: miikrr x | Posted: 11/22/2003 10:01:39 PM | Message Detail | # 0074 |
He never forced me. I'm just not an ungrateful little bitch, like most of you out there. --- Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jump over the candle-stick. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/22/2003 10:01:41 PM | Message Detail | # 0075 |
Good Jay. *throws you a cookie* |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/25/2003 07:57:23 PM | Message Detail | # 0076 |
I think we got the point that you have to release the source to the public, did we not? And you thought this was over. |
From: crimsonassassin | Posted: 11/25/2003 11:14:43 PM | Message Detail | # 0077 |
So seeing that I know a few lawyers and can contact many more quite easily I decided to ask one for explanation. Here is what he said. ...the GPL only requires you to provide the source code when you offer your software for download or sale. -Professor Peter Yu, J.D. (Michigan State University-Detroit College of Law) and yep that means you done now as there are no downloads or sales happening here. Move on and bother someone else. |
From: miikrr x | Posted: 11/26/2003 07:43:17 AM | Message Detail | # 0078 |
*wonders how this could be made into a program w/o the source code* --- Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jump over the candle-stick. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/26/2003 05:00:07 PM | Message Detail | # 0079 |
Tehcnically, you are offering the compiled software for download. In this case, the "compiled software" would be the HTML pages generated by the php scripts. --- Jay |
From: crimsonassassin | Posted: 11/26/2003 10:05:11 PM | Message Detail | # 0080 |
Technically Jay you are not a lawyer...come back and speak when you get a law degree. |
From: meeee | Posted: 11/26/2003 10:43:20 PM | Message Detail | # 0081 | ![]() |
hey I just thought of the greatest idea ever... how bout you all shut the fuck up and Insder and Jay stop your fucking whining and bitching or do it somewhere else where people ca... oh right nobody cares bout it wherever you go --- The best way to someones heart is to stab them in the chest meeee - the one and only |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/27/2003 08:00:17 AM | Message Detail | # 0082 |
Technically CA, you have no other argument and are acknowledging that I'm right. Ha ha. And why the fuck did this "meeee" idiot get Credits for that? I'm not "whining and bitching", I'm arguing like a cilivlized human, but obviously you being a blind, ignorant moron couldn't see that. Get the fuck out of here you little turd, if you have nothing to contribute to the argument then don't even bother posting, you're the only one who is whining here you little flamer. --- Jay |
From: tranmerefan | Posted: 11/27/2003 01:58:59 PM | Message Detail | # 0083 |
The thing with backdoors is, is that if you are stupid enough to fall for them - you don't deserve to keep the boards. I also fail to see why Jay isn't trusted. He's been an admin at a lot of spin-offs with no complaints and the only abuse is Goatse pictures. --- "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein |
From: WeaponX | Posted: 11/27/2003 02:07:57 PM | Message Detail | # 0084 |
O_O --- WeaponX~The weapon of the future The battle of the sexes there can be only one winner |
From: I am not CJayC | Posted: 11/27/2003 02:55:32 PM | Message Detail | # 0085 |
The only way Jay'll be admin at my boards is to earn my trust. He lost that when I discovered that small SQL query. It's hard to classify it as a backdoor, but it might as well be one. --- http://mike.hypershadows.net http://tl.aquatakat.net |
From: miikrr x | Posted: 11/27/2003 03:01:56 PM | Message Detail | # 0086 |
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From: girlgamer44 | Posted: 11/27/2003 03:10:44 PM | Message Detail | # 0087 |
I also fail to see why Jay isn't trusted. He's been an admin at a lot of spin-offs with no complaints and the only abuse is Goatse pictures. isn't Goatse pics enough? You guys keep saying that it has been proven that MA is based off of GFH...but I have never seen proof of that. Perhaps you could give me that proof. Also...I'm waiting for a response back from the GNU still for 'further' explanation. --- girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer. |
From: miikrr x | Posted: 11/27/2003 03:14:00 PM | Message Detail | # 0088 |
I'm guessing "based off" is really "inspiration." --- Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jump over the candle-stick. |
From: the demon hates me | Posted: 11/27/2003 03:16:31 PM | Message Detail | # 0089 |
What's goatse?? --- This message is immortal... I think... |
From: girlgamer44 | Posted: 11/27/2003 03:17:10 PM | Message Detail | # 0090 |
Well...inspiration wouldn't be enough. --- girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer. |
From: girlgamer44 | Posted: 11/27/2003 03:21:24 PM | Message Detail | # 0091 |
o_O..you don't know what goatse is? it's a pic of this guy stretching out his anus. It's a LUE thing that got dragged into spinoffs. It's part of the 'trinity' or something. I gtg to a party. later Jess. --- girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer. |
From: the demon hates me | Posted: 11/27/2003 03:23:38 PM | Message Detail | # 0092 |
Ah, that >_> Bye... --- This message is immortal... I think... |
From: animorph | Posted: 11/27/2003 03:38:15 PM | Message Detail | # 0093 |
I don't get it... why the hell does Jay care? gg's boards do absolutely no harm to anyone in any way shape or form. --- o_O...I get to be in your sig? Sweet. -girlgamer44 yay, I get to be in your sig! ^_^ -kittykat |
From: tranmerefan | Posted: 11/27/2003 04:00:16 PM | Message Detail | # 0094 |
To me, Goatse has never been shocking. I was never disgusted by it or anything. --- "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein |
From: miikrr x | Posted: 11/27/2003 06:13:52 PM | Message Detail | # 0095 |
That's nice. --- Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jump over the candle-stick. |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/27/2003 06:52:31 PM | Message Detail | # 0096 |
"The only way Jay'll be admin at my boards is to earn my trust. He lost that when I discovered that small SQL query." I lost your trust by including something that was blatantly out in the open and even included a note to you about it, AND was intent on proving that I could be trusted? That's a new one. In fact, why don't you give me a chance? Give me limited abilities at first if you fear that I will do something abusive (which I won't), what have you got to lose? I am not a liar. Out of all the spinoffs I have been admin at, can you name one that I've been abusive and fucked things up beyond repair? No, I doubt you can. Miikkr left that little SQL query in at his boards because he knows I'm no bullshitter. I haven't wrecked them, nor am I ever going to. I never really cared about him before that, but now I know he's a good guy. "You guys keep saying that it has been proven that MA is based off of GFH...but I have never seen proof of that. Perhaps you could give me that proof." The most prominent example is that the database is structured exactly like the GFH database, but I believe files like login.php and register.php bear very much resemblance to their GFH counterparts. Either way it is still based off the GFH source and must be distributed with a copy of the GPL included. "I don't get it... why the hell does Jay care? gg's boards do absolutely no harm to anyone in any way shape or form." They are in violation of the license that they are licensed under, which is illegal. Analogically speaking, if I killed your neighbor and burned his house down, would you call the cops? --- Jay |
From: crimsonassassin | Posted: 11/27/2003 10:14:59 PM | Message Detail | # 0097 |
Technically CA, you have no other argument and are acknowledging that I'm right. Ha ha. No I am not...see that post I made with that quote? You might want to check that guy's credentials. He is the director of MSU's intellectual property program at their law school. I informed him of the situation and of your argument for the source release and he says you are wrong. Thus it's time to just end the discussion. |
From: animorph | Posted: 11/27/2003 10:27:27 PM | Message Detail | # 0098 |
They are in violation of the license that they are licensed under, which is illegal. Analogically speaking, if I killed your neighbor and burned his house down, would you call the cops? I don't know about you, but I would call that causing harm. gg's board murders/burns nothing. --- o_O...I get to be in your sig? Sweet. -girlgamer44 yay, I get to be in your sig! ^_^ -kittykat |
From: ImInsder | Posted: 11/27/2003 11:10:39 PM | Message Detail | # 0099 |
"I informed him of the situation and of your argument for the source release and he says you are wrong. Thus it's time to just end the discussion." Oh really? Show me the entire response he sent you, the situation at hand is rather different from the way that the GPL goes into depth to explain things, and thus he probably does not fully understand what is going on (judging by the excerpt from his response you posted). And you/he/whoever never responded to the previous (valid) argument I posed before we started trying to tell each other to shut up, so I believe you are the one who needs to justify something again, not me (considering your previous argument supported by your "lawyer" was not really sufficient). When you have debunked everything I have to say, possibly with sufficient backup from this lawyer or whoever, then it will be "time to just end the discussion". I know when I've been beaten, and when the time comes I will admit defeat. However, that time has not arrived (yet?). "I don't know about you, but I would call that causing harm. gg's board murders/burns nothing." But if your neighbor's house burns down, it's not causing harm to you, is it? GG violating the license isn't causing harm to me, but it has the potential to harm the intellectual community and possibly the economy. Either way, it's still in violation of the law and justice must be served. It's the principle of the thing that matters. --- Jay |
From: animorph | Posted: 11/28/2003 02:30:34 AM | Message Detail | # 0100 |
But if your neighbor's house burns down, it's not causing harm to you, is it? GG violating the license isn't causing harm to me, but it has the potential to harm the intellectual community and possibly the economy. Either way, it's still in violation of the law and justice must be served. It's the principle of the thing that matters. YOU have the potential to go out and rape babies, but we don't arrest you for having the POTENTIAL, do we? Do you know would happen if the government could arrest people for what they COULD do? Sure as hell isn't something that happens in America. --- o_O...I get to be in your sig? Sweet. -girlgamer44 yay, I get to be in your sig! ^_^ -kittykat |
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