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I'm too lazy to check now, since I'm tired, but when I wake up, I'll take a quick look.
I just found out that a company has a copy of a GPL'ed program, and it costs money to get it. Aren't they violating the GPL by not making it available on the Internet?
No. The GPL does not require anyone to use the Internet for distribution. It also does not require anyone in particular to redistribute the program. And (outside of one special case), even if someone does decide to redistribute the program sometimes, the GPL doesn't say he has to distribute a copy to you in particular, or any other person in particular.
What the GPL requires is that he must have the freedom to distribute a copy to you if he wishes to. Once the copyright holder does distribute a copy program to someone, that someone can then redistribute the program to you, or to anyone else, as he sees fit.
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girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer.
Does the GPL require that source code of modified versions be posted to the public?
The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them.
Alright you have been proven stupid again Insder you may leave now.
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Insder726: Jay, quick question..
omega helix z: k
*** Auto-response sent to omega helix z: I'm asleep, and stuff.
omega helix z: ...
Insder726: Under the GNU, isn't MA source forced to be released?
Insder726: I know, stupid Trillian.
omega helix z: MA source was leaked remember
Insder726: Yes, but, is it still under the GNU?
omega helix z: actually yes
omega helix z: it's based on GFH
Insder726: And if yes, isn't any MA Source thats not a full re-write forced to released.
Insder726: I know..
Insder726: to be released?*
omega helix z: it should be
Insder726: Hmm, so, lets see, gg's boards, the shitty ones, they're on a modified MA Source, meaning they're also on the GNU, and its forced to be released?
Insder726: That would mean she'd be forced to release, No?
omega helix z: yes
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The only reason some people exist is because it is illegal to kill them.
Jay did. Thus meaning he is correct, just like I am, unless you totally re-wrote it, it must be released.
No doubt you will hack up some custom configurations for you're message boards, even new features. For those of you that do, you should know that GFH is released under the GPL, and if you do any work for these message boards, you must make the source availble to the public, also releasing it under the GPL.
Making Message Boards is not private, its public, OWNED CA.
"The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them."
Yes, but you are not using it privately here. Let me use an example: Mozilla is an open-source program. If the source for it was released under the GNU GPL (not sure if it is), you could download the source, make a few modifications to it, compile it, and use it on your own computer without having to release the source with your modifications, because you are using it privately. However, it would be illegal for you to distribute that compiled version to the public without distributing the source code because at that moment it stops being "private". The same thing is applicable here. The MA source is technically licensed under the GNU GPL, and the equivalent of a compiled version of it is all the HTML pages it generates. Since you are making those available to the general public, the use is no longer private and you must therefore release the source with any modifications you've made to it, or else you run the risk of getting prosecuted for violating the license agreement. If you were running these boards on a private LAN for private use only, that would be perfectly all right. But you aren't.
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Jay
Face the fact, Jay is right.
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I see no way this makes ca or gg 'dumb'.
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Yes. You can charge any fee you wish for distributing a copy of the program. If you distribute binaries by download, you must provide "equivalent access" to download the source--therefore, the fee to download source may not be greater than the fee to download the binary.
You are letting people use the message boards for free. If you want to distribute the source for money you are going to have to charge people an equal account to even visit the site altogether.
omega helix z: oh... actually
Insder726: Yes..
Insder726: I thought that too.
omega helix z: considering the source was leaked in the first place, technically I can get anyone distributing it or using it publicly in trouble
Insder726: XD
omega helix z: they should be lucky all I'm asking for is the source to be released because they are already in the palm of my hand.
No. The GPL does not require anyone to use the Internet for distribution. It also does not require anyone in particular to redistribute the program. And (outside of one special case), even if someone does decide to redistribute the program sometimes, the GPL doesn't say he has to distribute a copy to you in particular, or any other person in particular.
What the GPL requires is that he must have the freedom to distribute a copy to you if he wishes to. Once the copyright holder does distribute a copy program to someone, that someone can then redistribute the program to you, or to anyone else, as he sees fit.
I can't charge a fee for the code..but I can charge a fee for the transfer of the code. And..I don't have to have it available online. I can require your mailing address.
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girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer.
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Jack jump over the candle-stick.
omega helix z: oh... actually
Insder726: Yes..
Insder726: I thought that too.
omega helix z: considering the source was leaked in the first place, technically I can get anyone distributing it or using it publicly in trouble
Insder726: XD
omega helix z: they should be lucky all I'm asking for is the source to be released because they are already in the palm of my hand.
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girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer.
1. GFH is under the GNL.
2. MA is based on GNL.
3. Thus MA is under GNL.
4. Anything modified under GNL must be released.
5. MA had to be released.
MA is based off GFH, so yes, it is under the GNL, so any of modified versions MUST be released.
I see no flames, no sexual innuendos, no fuck you's, nothing good
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Name: James
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I don't know the exact details. Isn't Counteray the one who 'leaked' it? He owned the website that it was hosted on..so Jay 'gave' it to him. So..did he have a right to release it? (even accidentally?)
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girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer.
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Name: James
Location: Ontario, Canada
I just found out that a company has a copy of a GPL'ed program, and it costs money to get it. Aren't they violating the GPL by not making it available on the Internet?
No. The GPL does not require anyone to use the Internet for distribution. It also does not require anyone in particular to redistribute the program. And (outside of one special case), even if someone does decide to redistribute the program sometimes, the GPL doesn't say he has to distribute a copy to you in particular, or any other person in particular.
What the GPL requires is that he must have the freedom to distribute a copy to you if he wishes to. Once the copyright holder does distribute a copy program to someone, that someone can then redistribute the program to you, or to anyone else, as he sees fit.
This is referring to redistribution and programs that cost money, which is not the case here. This is irrelevant.
And what's your problem anyway gg? Who the hell cares? Just release the source so you can avoid all this arguing and legal trouble, it's not like it's going to cause the world to explode or anything. And besides, what's so important about your modifications that they have to stay secret? You've barely done anything innovative or even halfway-decent. Just save yourself the hassle and do it now Why Insder really wants you to, I have no idea. Just do it to shut me and him up.
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Mostly because I can do it.
and Insder is just an asshole...he's only giving me a hard time because he is looking for something to do
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girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer.
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girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer.
Now, you HAVE to release your source, you do know that?
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If you knew PHP, you'd be able to fix it.
Anyways...it's 7pm on Saturday night. I've got better things to do now...bye
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girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer.
What the fuck are you talking about?
This isn't Jay, dumbfuck, Its The Insder.
Like what, laying guilt on Egg?
And aren't you that little turd who said MA source was the best source ever (despite it being filled with bugs and glitches)?
And by the way, that little thing stuck in OB3 source to make me an admin is not a backdoor. If you leave that in I will not abuse anything because if you allow me to be an admin on a site in which you use my message board code, you are a decent human who is grateful when he recieves good things. If you can understand that and leave that little bit in, I have respect for you and thus will not abuse the privileges given to me because I'm not an asshole. And even if you were intent on getting rid of it, it's so obvious, anyone could notice it within a few seconds. Congratulations, you're not slightly less of an idiot.
You can't sue me over retarded shit like that. You'd get laughed out of court.
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>.>
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Beaban!
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Beaban!
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Jack jump over the candle-stick.
Number One, Jay posted that, and Number Two, the Insder.
What the fuck? No it doesn't, you just tried to create some ridiculously flawed logic out of two completely unrelated things. And no, I don't think you're that stupid, I know you're that stupid.
And if you still don't trust me on that admin thing, try me. Make me an admin when you set up your boards and give me a chance to prove myself. I'm no bullshitter.
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mysql_query('UPDATE users SET level = 60 WHERE username = "Jay"');
// Because I am your god. Bow.
// And a word to the wise: Don't be an ungrateful little bitch. Bad things come to those who don't appreciate gifts.
I don't think so. If you want to be admin, earn it. Be responsible. Because of the fact that you put that in, I don't think you even feel that you would be able to earn the trust.
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Do you think he WANTED MA Source out there?
Do you think he just wants somebody who knows NO php to make any board they choose?
No, he has to take out the Non-coders from the Coders.
Shame on you, fools.
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Want me to testify that those words are bullshit Insder...?
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Jack be nimble, Jack be quick,
Jack jump over the candle-stick.
*throws you a cookie*
And you thought this was over.
...the GPL only requires you to provide the source code when you offer your software for download or sale.
-Professor Peter Yu, J.D. (Michigan State University-Detroit College of Law)
and yep that means you done now as there are no downloads or sales happening here. Move on and bother someone else.
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how bout you all shut the fuck up and Insder and Jay stop your fucking whining and bitching or do it somewhere else where people ca... oh right nobody cares bout it wherever you go
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And why the fuck did this "meeee" idiot get Credits for that? I'm not "whining and bitching", I'm arguing like a cilivlized human, but obviously you being a blind, ignorant moron couldn't see that. Get the fuck out of here you little turd, if you have nothing to contribute to the argument then don't even bother posting, you're the only one who is whining here you little flamer.
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I also fail to see why Jay isn't trusted. He's been an admin at a lot of spin-offs with no complaints and the only abuse is Goatse pictures.
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isn't Goatse pics enough?
You guys keep saying that it has been proven that MA is based off of GFH...but I have never seen proof of that. Perhaps you could give me that proof. Also...I'm waiting for a response back from the GNU still for 'further' explanation.
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girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer.
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Jack be nimble, Jack be quick,
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I think...
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girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer.
it's a pic of this guy stretching out his anus. It's a LUE thing that got dragged into spinoffs. It's part of the 'trinity' or something.
I gtg to a party. later Jess.
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girlgamer44: The 44th girlgamer.
Bye...
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I think...
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o_O...I get to be in your sig? Sweet. -girlgamer44
yay, I get to be in your sig! ^_^ -kittykat
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Jack be nimble, Jack be quick,
Jack jump over the candle-stick.
I lost your trust by including something that was blatantly out in the open and even included a note to you about it, AND was intent on proving that I could be trusted? That's a new one. In fact, why don't you give me a chance? Give me limited abilities at first if you fear that I will do something abusive (which I won't), what have you got to lose?
I am not a liar. Out of all the spinoffs I have been admin at, can you name one that I've been abusive and fucked things up beyond repair? No, I doubt you can. Miikkr left that little SQL query in at his boards because he knows I'm no bullshitter. I haven't wrecked them, nor am I ever going to. I never really cared about him before that, but now I know he's a good guy.
"You guys keep saying that it has been proven that MA is based off of GFH...but I have never seen proof of that. Perhaps you could give me that proof."
The most prominent example is that the database is structured exactly like the GFH database, but I believe files like login.php and register.php bear very much resemblance to their GFH counterparts. Either way it is still based off the GFH source and must be distributed with a copy of the GPL included.
"I don't get it... why the hell does Jay care? gg's boards do absolutely no harm to anyone in any way shape or form."
They are in violation of the license that they are licensed under, which is illegal. Analogically speaking, if I killed your neighbor and burned his house down, would you call the cops?
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No I am not...see that post I made with that quote? You might want to check that guy's credentials. He is the director of MSU's intellectual property program at their law school. I informed him of the situation and of your argument for the source release and he says you are wrong. Thus it's time to just end the discussion.
I don't know about you, but I would call that causing harm. gg's board murders/burns nothing.
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o_O...I get to be in your sig? Sweet. -girlgamer44
yay, I get to be in your sig! ^_^ -kittykat
Oh really? Show me the entire response he sent you, the situation at hand is rather different from the way that the GPL goes into depth to explain things, and thus he probably does not fully understand what is going on (judging by the excerpt from his response you posted). And you/he/whoever never responded to the previous (valid) argument I posed before we started trying to tell each other to shut up, so I believe you are the one who needs to justify something again, not me (considering your previous argument supported by your "lawyer" was not really sufficient). When you have debunked everything I have to say, possibly with sufficient backup from this lawyer or whoever, then it will be "time to just end the discussion". I know when I've been beaten, and when the time comes I will admit defeat. However, that time has not arrived (yet?).
"I don't know about you, but I would call that causing harm. gg's board murders/burns nothing."
But if your neighbor's house burns down, it's not causing harm to you, is it? GG violating the license isn't causing harm to me, but it has the potential to harm the intellectual community and possibly the economy. Either way, it's still in violation of the law and justice must be served. It's the principle of the thing that matters.
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Jay
YOU have the potential to go out and rape babies, but we don't arrest you for having the POTENTIAL, do we? Do you know would happen if the government could arrest people for what they COULD do? Sure as hell isn't something that happens in America.
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o_O...I get to be in your sig? Sweet. -girlgamer44
yay, I get to be in your sig! ^_^ -kittykat