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From: Waffles \| Posted: 8/9/2003 01:35:34 AM \| Message Detail
Wait, I'm lieing again. What we had going on was a good board community that was growing KSOT. It showed expansion, a word that basically never saw whiteFyre. But you couldn't have that could you? You liked to control people, to make the boards suffer. What Ant P, Shuzo, Jay, and I had done to make the boards that good is something that you took joy in destroying. I'll have you know KSOT, that nothing we did was mailicious, in fact, it was for the good of the board. Oh, but you wouldn't listen to reason, instead you just purged every board to cover up the evidence. Well guess what KSOT, when uG gets back from his vacation, he'll find a nice zip file with proof what we did was good, and what you did was ruin it. I can't wait till that day comes KSOT, and uG sees what... weirdo you are. I mean seriously, CARING for a message board? You need some help, man. The worst part though, was that you KOSed me. Very mature of you there pal. I must say, you completely ruined my thoughts on you tonight, and pretty much all of whiteFyre. Congratulations, you're a sore loser. --- ¨¨˜°ºO~*Waffles*~Oº°˜¨¨ -·´¯`· ¨˜°²·;;·²°˜¨ ·´¯`·-..... I made it myself I swear >_>
From: Shuzo \| Posted: 8/9/2003 01:49:23 AM \| Message Detail
I'm saying man. Ask yourself who you helped. You sure didn't help uG. You didn't help yourself. You didn't help the members of whitefyre. By doing this you've no doubt killed anything it ever had even before the time of 'New Management'. Face it, KSOT, it was dying. Everyone seemed to realize that but you, it was like we cultivated it and nurtured it and it grew again. You keep saying that people were going to check it out just because it was hacked. That may be so. But the interaction was far greater than any other hacked spinoff. Jesus, we had more users than DSL. The longest idle time was 5 minutes during our peak period when I checked it out, the rest were 10 seconds to a minute max. Everyone was having fun and enjoying themselves. I still can't understand why you'd kill it like that. The closest I can think of is that you thought we were defiling your precious or something, like you were defending the dignity of the boards. I don't know. I just want an answer to that question. That's all I ask.
From: Xythar \| Posted: 8/9/2003 02:27:23 AM \| Message Detail
Yes, how dare he remove the many copies of Goatse, "OWNED" and racial slurs from the front page! OMG HOW COULD YOU DO THAT KIRBY?!?!!?/1!?!? But seriously, well done Kaysot. :) --- -Xythar Darkmoon, Master Magus I put on my robe and wizard hat.
From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/9/2003 02:43:17 AM \| Message Detail
Waffles, I can't even begin to comprehend your logic here, other than the fact that you're whining about losing your adminship. What you had going there was a haven for the KoS Krew, exactly what whiteFyre used to be when it sucked ass. What you need to understand is that Jay HACKED the boards with maliscious intent. Did you not see Goatse all over the front page along with most of the users being banned? If you guys want to make your own boards to socialize on... fine... I don't give a damn. But you had no place doing what you did on whiteFyre. It's not your site! I purged every board to get rid off all the crap you guys posted... not to get rid of any so-called "evidence." I promise you that when UG returns from his vacation, he'll laugh at you for actually managing to convince yourself that you guys were in some way helping his site. Oh, and I didn't KoS you. Must've been my silent partner in crime. You'd better believe I won't be jumping out of my seat to unKoS you though... "Congratulations, you're a sore loser." Look who's talking... "I'm saying man. Ask yourself who you helped. You sure didn't help uG." By kicking out people who hacked his site, deleted every post and board, put goatse on the front page, banned most of the users and stole his source? Yes, I was most definitely helping him. "You didn't help yourself." Seeing as how all my accounts were banned with changed passes, I'd say I was most certainly helping myself. "By doing this you've no doubt killed anything it ever had even before the time of 'New Management'. Face it, KSOT, it was dying. Everyone seemed to realize that but you," Actually, it had been growing at the same slow pace it always had been ever since the "jihad." "it was like we cultivated it and nurtured it and it grew again. You keep saying that people were going to check it out just because it was hacked. That may be so." That's a FACT. "But the interaction was far greater than any other hacked spinoff. Jesus, we had more users than DSL. The longest idle time was 5 minutes during our peak period when I checked it out, the rest were 10 seconds to a minute max. Everyone was having fun and enjoying themselves. I still can't understand why you'd kill it like that. The closest I can think of is that you thought we were defiling your precious or something, like you were defending the dignity of the boards." Yep, that's pretty much it. It was very sad for me to see such a well-protected spinoff hacked by the likes of jay, then defiled with goatse and other such idiocy. I'm sorry I had to kill the little party you guys had going, but I couldn't stand to see it any longer. If you guys want to have that type of "fun" as you call it, by all means, register your own domain and host your own boards. Don't ****ing try to hijack someone elses site. That's just extremely lame...
From: Xythar \| Posted: 8/9/2003 04:04:05 AM \| Message Detail
I think it's just funny that while both Jay and Kaysot both used the admin exploit, Jay did it to a site that wasn't his with intent to deface while Kaysot did it on a site where he was already a moderator (one would say that uG therefore trusts him with the site enough to do that) with intent to put it back to the way it was before. And yet, you're somehow trying to make it look like Kaysot was in the wrong. You should become a lawyer or something. --- -Xythar Darkmoon, Master Magus I put on my robe and wizard hat.
From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/9/2003 04:37:23 AM \| Message Detail
^^ That's all I should have said. <3 Xythar --- The Jokes on you! K A R R N A isn't even a word! Muahahahahaha!!!
From: Shuzo \| Posted: 8/9/2003 11:58:17 AM \| Message Detail
Xythar, judging by what you're using as material it's obvious you don't know what the hell you're talking about and it's only right that KSOT would thank you. If all you know about "the new whitefyre" is goatse do yourself a favor and keep your mouth shut. ...put goatse on the front page, banned most of the users and stole his source? Yes, I was most definitely helping him There's Goatse again. Guess what. That was Jay and it was at 10 in the morning. Was there Goatse when we were admining? No. Just people having fun. Also, don't act like you give a damn about his source. You said it yourself, "I care noty". You just pushed EP so he'd upload it. You could've done something to prevent it but you didn't. You just purged the boards like a scared child trying to forget. Seeing as how all my accounts were banned with changed passes, I'd say I was most certainly helping myself. Don't even start, I knew you'd be upset and at 12 AM I offered to give you back your account myself on GameFAQs. I'm not gonna both with a link because we both know you saw it. Actually, it had been growing at the same slow pace it always had been ever since the "jihad." No. You need to come to the realization that it was dying. When I got there it seemed alright way back, 9 people seemed like a lot. It's not. Especially the postings, no one would add their say or anything. Your same slow pace? 1 user comes, two users get bored and leave. You're never going to get 26 people online ever again at Whitefyre. Chances are after uG hears about this he'll tear the project down. Qu'elle domage. If you guys want to have that type of "fun" as you call it, by all means, register your own domain and host your own boards. Don't **ing try to hijack someone elses site. That's just extremely lame... I'm not saying what we did was right but it was right for Whitefyre. Ask uG to check the hits he got on that day (8th). How many new people registered, 60 new users? I know it was over 50 in the past 5 hours. If he graphs it he'll no doubt be blown out of the water. I know you're a good guy because you did all this. You're a good friend to uG, man. Not doubt he has a lot of trust in you and you in him. You're loyalty to him is remarkable. He doesn't know what great a friend he has in you. Basically it was broken into two sessions. 1: Jay puts on goatse. (The one Xythar pointed out) 2: Waffles and I take out the goatse and start wF2. I didn't agree with session 1 of course because it was nasty. I mean, who the hell would want that? Session two however was us cleaning up that mess. Like we could do anything else. uG was gone and Jay **ed up the stats. 'Twas fun though. No doubt wF2 will be one of my proudest online accomplishments since I didn't bother hacking it. Just hope it's remembered lol. So yea, let's not end this as being enemies. I'm all for going back to how it was before between you and I. I don't care that you did it. I think the KOSing was a bit extreme but it was your call. I mean, I think each of us knew it was going to happen eventually. So here's my olive branch accept it or not, it's your choice but we both did what was good in our own minds. <3
From: Trypa \| Posted: 8/9/2003 12:38:07 PM \| Message Detail
I feel I must speak my opinion on this... Shuzo, etc: It's, uh, bad to hack other boards. Just make your own, and people would come, since they weren't just going because it was hacked, right? KSOT: You should have waited for the board's actual owners to get back and do whatever they wanted to do. They weren't your boards, you had no right to do what you did. --- There is a board for that.
From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/9/2003 01:44:56 PM \| Message Detail
"don't act like you give a damn about his source. You said it yourself, "I care noty". You just pushed EP so he'd upload it. You could've done something to prevent it but you didn't. You just purged the boards like a scared child trying to forget." Give me a break. The source had already been taken. I cared back before it was stolen. After that, it didn't matter at all. There's no way in hell it wouldn't have been released eventually. Use your brain man... "Don't even start, I knew you'd be upset and at 12 AM I offered to give you back your account myself on GameFAQs. I'm not gonna both with a link because we both know you saw it." I swear on my mothers eternal soul, I did not see you post that. "No. You need to come to the realization that it was dying. When I got there it seemed alright way back, 9 people seemed like a lot. It's not. Especially the postings, no one would add their say or anything. Your same slow pace? 1 user comes, two users get bored and leave. You're never going to get 26 people online ever again at Whitefyre. Chances are after uG hears about this he'll tear the project down. Qu'elle domage." You do realize that once all the hack buzz died down, you'd have the same people online that were there before plus the Krew? "I'm not saying what we did was right but it was right for Whitefyre. Ask uG to check the hits he got on that day (8th). How many new people registered, 60 new users? I know it was over 50 in the past 5 hours. If he graphs it he'll no doubt be blown out of the water. " Do you REALLY think it had anything to do with the new management? Ayeee, you guys didn't even DO anything! Lots of people were there that day because of the chaos... that's how spinoffs work. And most of those new accounts were created because JAY CHANGED A TON OF PASSES and people had to re-register! "I didn't agree with session 1 of course because it was nasty. I mean, who the hell would want that? Session two however was us cleaning up that mess. Like we could do anything else. uG was gone and Jay ****ed up the stats. 'Twas fun though. No doubt wF2 will be one of my proudest online accomplishments since I didn't bother hacking it. Just hope it's remembered lol." I understand you had a lot of fun admining there and I am sorry I ended it for you. I can see where you're coming from. But after what Jay did, there's no way I was going to let him ruin things any further. It's bad enough that he had access to that many IP address'. I had to de-admin ALL of you to prevent one of you from de-admining me at Jay's request. If you really enjoyed what you did there, you can probably upload that souce to lycos for free and do the same exact things. "So yea, let's not end this as being enemies. I'm all for going back to how it was before between you and I." I'm glad you feel that way because I think you're a cool person. "I don't care that you did it. I think the KOSing was a bit extreme but it was your call." Just to clarify, I didn't KoS anyone. That was my partners decision. "I mean, I think each of us knew it was going to happen eventually. So here's my olive branch accept it or not, it's your choice but we both did what was good in our own minds. <3" <3 "KSOT: You should have waited for the board's actual owners to get back and do whatever they wanted to do. They weren't your boards, you had no right to do what you did." First of all, UG left his mods in charge when he went on vacation. That means me. I was responsible for the boards well-being. That means I had EVERY right to do what I did. Secondly, Jay had already deleted/removed the posts, boards, levels, beans, karma, welcome message, a ton of usermaps, every kos'd/banned/suspended user and messed up a bunch of other minor things on the boards. He had to be stopped before he could do any more damage. For all I know, the entire userbase would have been gone by morning. That is what Jay does, he hacks spinoffs and destroys them. Ask CSC, EN or any of his other victems. Seeing as how he hacked his way into adminship with the sole intent of erradicating wF and I hacked my way in with the intention of saving it, can you really keep a straight face when you claim that what I did was wrong? Personal hatred aside Trypa, use your head here...
From: Trypa \| Posted: 8/9/2003 01:51:22 PM \| Message Detail
They also claim they did what they did to save it. --- There is a board for that.
From: Waffles \| Posted: 8/9/2003 02:23:01 PM \| Message Detail
Actually KSOT, as both Jay and I have mentioned several times, we were never going to release the source code to the public. uG certainly didn't deserve it, you got warned, and you cared not. So don't act like it wasn't your fault. --- ¨¨˜°ºO~*Waffles*~Oº°˜¨¨ -·´¯`· ¨˜°²·;;·²°˜¨ ·´¯`·-..... I made it myself I swear >_>
From: Waffles \| Posted: 8/9/2003 02:29:25 PM \| Message Detail
Oh, and two things: plus the Krew? If you had even looked around, nobody from your feared "KOSby Kids" was there. Things were looking up, and people even said it was better than the real whiteFyre. Sorry for bringing in an air of fun. That was my partners decision. There's just something funny about that... --- ¨¨˜°ºO~*Waffles*~Oº°˜¨¨ -·´¯`· ¨˜°²·;;·²°˜¨ ·´¯`·-..... I made it myself I swear >_>
From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/9/2003 02:40:09 PM \| Message Detail
"They also claim they did what they did to save it." Well it wasn't their board to save to begin with. They weren't the one left in charge when UG went away. Matter of fact, most of them weren't supposed to be there in the first place. Here's a great analogy that was just posted there in response to someone yelling at me for stopping the madness: It's like someone burning your house down and then trying to get the firemen arrested for soaking your stuff when they're putting the fire out. "Actually KSOT, as both Jay and I have mentioned several times, we were never going to release the source code to the public. uG certainly didn't deserve it," Maybe you don't realize it yet, but jay's word means dick. Once UG came back and KoS'd the lot of you, I'm 100% positive Jay would have released the source. Either way... other people like onionkid were also getting the source, so someone would have leaked it eventually. "you got warned, and you cared not. So don't act like it wasn't your fault." I got threatened, not warned. Did you guys really expect me to give you back full control of the site just to save the source from being publicized for another few days? Doesn't matter either way though, since that source obviously has major security issues (not including the new ones Jay added to it for his personal use). Nobody in their right mind would use it. Also, UG had mentioned he was thinking of releasing his source anyway, so he probably won't care very much. It's not as if this is somehow harmful to wF... --- The Jokes on you! K A R R N A isn't even a word! Muahahahahaha!!!
From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/9/2003 02:46:39 PM \| Message Detail
"nobody from your feared "KOSby Kids" was there." xTUx was there, right? And even if Jay isn't KoS'd on gamefaqs, he is very much a member of their Krew. Same goes for EP, Ant P, and probably a few other anonymous parties that were sharing accounts, or involved in some other way. "There's just something funny about that..." Is this supposed to be some veiled SPI? Nice Waffles... --- The Jokes on you! K A R R N A isn't even a word! Muahahahahaha!!!
From: Waffles \| Posted: 8/9/2003 02:57:26 PM \| Message Detail
Actually, it just shows that you have the inability to do much. Now, the only person I can think of that would be your "parter" would be Shadow... Seriously, I've known Jay a lot longer than anybody else here has. I got suspended at DSL for not giving away admin positions... so you can't pass judgement that what we were doing there was bad. Oh, and for this "great" analogy right here: It's like someone burning your house down and then trying to get the firemen arrested for soaking your stuff when they're putting the fire out. We weren't wrecking anything. The damage had already been done. The proper analogy would go something like: It's like your house burned down and neighbors try to help clean up, but then the police come and arrest you. --- ¨¨˜°ºO~*Waffles*~Oº°˜¨¨ -·´¯`· ¨˜°²·;;·²°˜¨ ·´¯`·-..... I made it myself I swear >_>
From: Waffles \| Posted: 8/9/2003 02:58:28 PM \| Message Detail
to do much on your own* --- ¨¨˜°ºO~*Waffles*~Oº°˜¨¨ -·´¯`· ¨˜°²·;;·²°˜¨ ·´¯`·-..... I made it myself I swear >_>
From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/9/2003 03:09:07 PM \| Message Detail
"Actually, it just shows that you have the inability to do much. Now, the only person I can think of that would be your "parter" would be Shadow..." Because I got someone to help means I "have the inability to do much?" Whatever you say Waffles. And I won't be exposing my partner, that's for sure. "Seriously, I've known Jay a lot longer than anybody else here has. I got suspended at DSL for not giving away admin positions... so you can't pass judgement that what we were doing there was bad." I never said that what you and Shuzo were doing was bad, but you had no right to do it in the first place. The point is that you were admined by Jay, the person who hacked the boards and destroyed a lot of things. You were part of his regime and therefore, had to be de-admined with him. I wasn't about to pick and choose which admins should go and which should stay because for all I know, I wouldn't have been able to trust any of you. Jay admined you, so logic would lead me to believe that you would de-admin me and re-admin Jay the first chance you got. Maybe if you hadn't have done whatever it is that you did to get demodded on wF, you could have been the positive influence you were trying to be last night in an appropriate manner. --- The Jokes on you! K A R R N A isn't even a word! Muahahahahaha!!!
From: Waffles \| Posted: 8/9/2003 03:33:21 PM \| Message Detail
so logic would lead me to believe that you would de-admin me and re-admin Jay the first chance you got. Of course I would. --- ¨¨˜°ºO~*Waffles*~Oº°˜¨¨ -·´¯`· ¨˜°²·;;·²°˜¨ ·´¯`·-..... I made it myself I swear >_>
From: Endless Nightmares \| Posted: 8/9/2003 04:57:05 PM \| Message Detail
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From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/9/2003 05:30:29 PM \| Message Detail
Kind of like your boards. --- The Jokes on you! K A R R N A isn't even a word! Muahahahahaha!!!
From: Xythar \| Posted: 8/9/2003 06:03:24 PM \| Message Detail
Shuzo and Waffle: See, I don't need to read all the BS you're spewing, and I couldn't care less how great the boards supposedly were with you in charge. The only thing that matters here is that they were not your boards, and you therefore had no right to steal them. I mean, what exactly is uG going to receive when he gets back? An email saying about how his boards were "dying" by your personal specifications, and instead of waiting for him to get back and then taking it up with him, you thought you'd take things into your own hands (because as we know, you're obviously the most important people there), steal whiteFyre and replace it with your own personal board, and then complain that Kaysot put things back to the way he'd left them (and we can assume, the way he wanted them to stay)? Give up. There is absolutely no justification for what you did, so stop trying to invent some. --- -Xythar Darkmoon, Master Magus I put on my robe and wizard hat.
From: Craig3410 \| Posted: 8/9/2003 09:22:13 PM \| Message Detail
I'm siding with KSOT on this one. From what I see, you're claiming the boards got popular after they were hacked. Basically, you're using the same logic as if you killed someone in a movie theater, and people had to pay to get in, so by killing someone, you made the theater popular. No offense, but that's completely illogical. And KSOT, you might want to check the boards. Some censoreds are bumping up old topics, disrupting the flow of the boards. --- [A moderator was deleted by this message]
From: I N F E R N O \| Posted: 8/9/2003 10:21:23 PM \| Message Detail
Wee! Look at me! I have no clue what's going on!
From: Slayk \| Posted: 8/9/2003 10:25:24 PM \| Message Detail
Craig, for future refrence that is Post Hoc, Ergo Proptor Hoc. --- Slayk - My walnuts!
From: Steve \| Posted: 8/9/2003 11:06:21 PM \| Message Detail
My only comment is that if my boards were stolen; I would prosecute. To the fullest. --- ¨¨˜°ºO~*Steve*~Oº°˜¨¨ -·´¯`· ¨˜°²·;;·²°˜¨ ·´¯`·-
From: Shuzo \| Posted: 8/9/2003 11:33:12 PM \| Message Detail
Xythar, I didn't steal whitefyre. I logged into the boards as a banned user and was restored to level 5 then to 21. I did what I could to make the most of the situation. What the hell would you do? Given the chance I'd say a lot of people would take it. What we did wasn't negative to the boards. Waffles and I never reset the boards, karma, beans, changed the passwords or any of that. We did what we could to make the best of the bad situation. I've already admitted that it was the wrong thing to do since they wern't our boards. I think what upset Waffles and I the most was seeing the boards so active and we got so into it that when it was taken away it was like admin withdrawl or something. Hacked or not people still had fun on our boards. I can't say that was why they came. It wasn't. I'll submit and say they came for the hacking. But a lot of users had fun. That's all I wanted. --- I am forever...
From: Corbon! \| Posted: 8/9/2003 11:44:34 PM \| Message Detail
If yo want to blame someone, blame the guy(s) who hacked the board, not the stupid followers. You can´t built up a board again by making some morons admins, so your statement is nonsense, Waffles. --- l\|¯ l\|¯\| l\|¯) l\|¯) l\|¯\| l\|\ \| l\|_ l\|_\| l\|¯\ l\|_) l\|_\| l\| \\|
From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/10/2003 12:06:19 AM \| Message Detail
Shuzo, I don't blame you and waffles for trying to make the most of what you were given. But if you put yourself in my shoes, you can understand why I did what I did, right? --- The Jokes on you! K A R R N A isn't even a word! Muahahahahaha!!!
From: Endless Nightmares \| Posted: 8/10/2003 12:11:17 AM \| Message Detail
No, you and the moderastor who deleted that are. --- Farside Blues Message Boards: http://www.farsideblues.com/boards/ liek omg
From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/10/2003 12:17:46 AM \| Message Detail
Does anyone know who EN is talking to or what he's trying to say? --- The Jokes on you! K A R R N A isn't even a word! Muahahahahaha!!!
From: Shuzo \| Posted: 8/10/2003 12:46:36 AM \| Message Detail
But if you put yourself in my shoes, you can understand why I did what I did, right? Yea, I do understand perfectly. I'm glad my name was taken off the hacker list on the front page. Also, I think you of all people should know I had no malicious intent for that site.
From: Xythar \| Posted: 8/10/2003 02:06:50 AM \| Message Detail
Fine. I won't hold it against you, but don't go off on Kaysot for doing exactly the right thing. My only comment is that if my boards were stolen; I would prosecute. To the fullest. Given that the hackers released uG's source code, I think that could be a very real possibility. I'd be interested in hearing how it turns out. --- -Xythar Darkmoon, Master Magus I put on my robe and wizard hat.
From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/10/2003 03:28:48 AM \| Message Detail
"Yea, I do understand perfectly. I'm glad my name was taken off the hacker list on the front page. Also, I think you of all people should know I had no malicious intent for that site." Yup, I know. That's why I took your name off the list. When UG comes back, we'll see about unbanning your account if you care. I was thinking about just doing it myself a few hours ago... but I'm obligated to discuss these things with everyone first. "Given that the hackers released uG's source code, I think that could be a very real possibility. I'd be interested in hearing how it turns out." Everyone on whiteFyre knows that UG is rather apathetic when it comes to the boards. We'll see if he cares enough to take action, but somehow... I doubt he will. I don't think he enjoys being hated like I do >_> "My only comment is that if my boards were stolen; I would prosecute. To the fullest." I do have a question for you though, Steve. Hypothetically speaking, if you went on vacation for a few weeks and a user you had KoS'd before hacked your boards, screwed everything up and made all of his buddies admins, would you be AT ALL mad if one of your mods broke their way in to get your boards back for you? --- The Jokes on you! K A R R N A isn't even a word! Muahahahahaha!!!
From: Grey Mold Rat \| Posted: 8/10/2003 03:48:15 AM \| Message Detail
... WhiteFyre still exists? --- [This message was created by a moron.]
From: Steve \| Posted: 8/10/2003 08:47:03 AM \| Message Detail
I don't honestly know. --- ¨¨˜°ºO~*Steve*~Oº°˜¨¨ -·´¯`· ¨˜°²·;;·²°˜¨ ·´¯`·-

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From: Waffles \| Posted: 8/9/2003 01:35:34 AM \| Message Detail
Wait, I'm lieing again. What we had going on was a good board community that was growing KSOT. It showed expansion, a word that basically never saw whiteFyre. But you couldn't have that could you? You liked to control people, to make the boards suffer. What Ant P, Shuzo, Jay, and I had done to make the boards that good is something that you took joy in destroying. I'll have you know KSOT, that nothing we did was mailicious, in fact, it was for the good of the board. Oh, but you wouldn't listen to reason, instead you just purged every board to cover up the evidence. Well guess what KSOT, when uG gets back from his vacation, he'll find a nice zip file with proof what we did was good, and what you did was ruin it. I can't wait till that day comes KSOT, and uG sees what... weirdo you are. I mean seriously, CARING for a message board? You need some help, man. The worst part though, was that you KOSed me. Very mature of you there pal. I must say, you completely ruined my thoughts on you tonight, and pretty much all of whiteFyre. Congratulations, you're a sore loser. --- ¨¨˜°ºO~*Waffles*~Oº°˜¨¨ -·´¯`· ¨˜°²·;;·²°˜¨ ·´¯`·-..... I made it myself I swear >_>
From: Shuzo \| Posted: 8/9/2003 01:49:23 AM \| Message Detail
I'm saying man. Ask yourself who you helped. You sure didn't help uG. You didn't help yourself. You didn't help the members of whitefyre. By doing this you've no doubt killed anything it ever had even before the time of 'New Management'. Face it, KSOT, it was dying. Everyone seemed to realize that but you, it was like we cultivated it and nurtured it and it grew again. You keep saying that people were going to check it out just because it was hacked. That may be so. But the interaction was far greater than any other hacked spinoff. Jesus, we had more users than DSL. The longest idle time was 5 minutes during our peak period when I checked it out, the rest were 10 seconds to a minute max. Everyone was having fun and enjoying themselves. I still can't understand why you'd kill it like that. The closest I can think of is that you thought we were defiling your precious or something, like you were defending the dignity of the boards. I don't know. I just want an answer to that question. That's all I ask.
From: Xythar \| Posted: 8/9/2003 02:27:23 AM \| Message Detail
Yes, how dare he remove the many copies of Goatse, "OWNED" and racial slurs from the front page! OMG HOW COULD YOU DO THAT KIRBY?!?!!?/1!?!? But seriously, well done Kaysot. :) --- -Xythar Darkmoon, Master Magus I put on my robe and wizard hat.
From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/9/2003 02:43:17 AM \| Message Detail
Waffles, I can't even begin to comprehend your logic here, other than the fact that you're whining about losing your adminship. What you had going there was a haven for the KoS Krew, exactly what whiteFyre used to be when it sucked ass. What you need to understand is that Jay HACKED the boards with maliscious intent. Did you not see Goatse all over the front page along with most of the users being banned? If you guys want to make your own boards to socialize on... fine... I don't give a damn. But you had no place doing what you did on whiteFyre. It's not your site! I purged every board to get rid off all the crap you guys posted... not to get rid of any so-called "evidence." I promise you that when UG returns from his vacation, he'll laugh at you for actually managing to convince yourself that you guys were in some way helping his site. Oh, and I didn't KoS you. Must've been my silent partner in crime. You'd better believe I won't be jumping out of my seat to unKoS you though... "Congratulations, you're a sore loser." Look who's talking... "I'm saying man. Ask yourself who you helped. You sure didn't help uG." By kicking out people who hacked his site, deleted every post and board, put goatse on the front page, banned most of the users and stole his source? Yes, I was most definitely helping him. "You didn't help yourself." Seeing as how all my accounts were banned with changed passes, I'd say I was most certainly helping myself. "By doing this you've no doubt killed anything it ever had even before the time of 'New Management'. Face it, KSOT, it was dying. Everyone seemed to realize that but you," Actually, it had been growing at the same slow pace it always had been ever since the "jihad." "it was like we cultivated it and nurtured it and it grew again. You keep saying that people were going to check it out just because it was hacked. That may be so." That's a FACT. "But the interaction was far greater than any other hacked spinoff. Jesus, we had more users than DSL. The longest idle time was 5 minutes during our peak period when I checked it out, the rest were 10 seconds to a minute max. Everyone was having fun and enjoying themselves. I still can't understand why you'd kill it like that. The closest I can think of is that you thought we were defiling your precious or something, like you were defending the dignity of the boards." Yep, that's pretty much it. It was very sad for me to see such a well-protected spinoff hacked by the likes of jay, then defiled with goatse and other such idiocy. I'm sorry I had to kill the little party you guys had going, but I couldn't stand to see it any longer. If you guys want to have that type of "fun" as you call it, by all means, register your own domain and host your own boards. Don't ****ing try to hijack someone elses site. That's just extremely lame...
From: Xythar \| Posted: 8/9/2003 04:04:05 AM \| Message Detail
I think it's just funny that while both Jay and Kaysot both used the admin exploit, Jay did it to a site that wasn't his with intent to deface while Kaysot did it on a site where he was already a moderator (one would say that uG therefore trusts him with the site enough to do that) with intent to put it back to the way it was before. And yet, you're somehow trying to make it look like Kaysot was in the wrong. You should become a lawyer or something. --- -Xythar Darkmoon, Master Magus I put on my robe and wizard hat.
From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/9/2003 04:37:23 AM \| Message Detail
^^ That's all I should have said. <3 Xythar --- The Jokes on you! K A R R N A isn't even a word! Muahahahahaha!!!
From: Shuzo \| Posted: 8/9/2003 11:58:17 AM \| Message Detail
Xythar, judging by what you're using as material it's obvious you don't know what the hell you're talking about and it's only right that KSOT would thank you. If all you know about "the new whitefyre" is goatse do yourself a favor and keep your mouth shut. ...put goatse on the front page, banned most of the users and stole his source? Yes, I was most definitely helping him There's Goatse again. Guess what. That was Jay and it was at 10 in the morning. Was there Goatse when we were admining? No. Just people having fun. Also, don't act like you give a damn about his source. You said it yourself, "I care noty". You just pushed EP so he'd upload it. You could've done something to prevent it but you didn't. You just purged the boards like a scared child trying to forget. Seeing as how all my accounts were banned with changed passes, I'd say I was most certainly helping myself. Don't even start, I knew you'd be upset and at 12 AM I offered to give you back your account myself on GameFAQs. I'm not gonna both with a link because we both know you saw it. Actually, it had been growing at the same slow pace it always had been ever since the "jihad." No. You need to come to the realization that it was dying. When I got there it seemed alright way back, 9 people seemed like a lot. It's not. Especially the postings, no one would add their say or anything. Your same slow pace? 1 user comes, two users get bored and leave. You're never going to get 26 people online ever again at Whitefyre. Chances are after uG hears about this he'll tear the project down. Qu'elle domage. If you guys want to have that type of "fun" as you call it, by all means, register your own domain and host your own boards. Don't **ing try to hijack someone elses site. That's just extremely lame... I'm not saying what we did was right but it was right for Whitefyre. Ask uG to check the hits he got on that day (8th). How many new people registered, 60 new users? I know it was over 50 in the past 5 hours. If he graphs it he'll no doubt be blown out of the water. I know you're a good guy because you did all this. You're a good friend to uG, man. Not doubt he has a lot of trust in you and you in him. You're loyalty to him is remarkable. He doesn't know what great a friend he has in you. Basically it was broken into two sessions. 1: Jay puts on goatse. (The one Xythar pointed out) 2: Waffles and I take out the goatse and start wF2. I didn't agree with session 1 of course because it was nasty. I mean, who the hell would want that? Session two however was us cleaning up that mess. Like we could do anything else. uG was gone and Jay **ed up the stats. 'Twas fun though. No doubt wF2 will be one of my proudest online accomplishments since I didn't bother hacking it. Just hope it's remembered lol. So yea, let's not end this as being enemies. I'm all for going back to how it was before between you and I. I don't care that you did it. I think the KOSing was a bit extreme but it was your call. I mean, I think each of us knew it was going to happen eventually. So here's my olive branch accept it or not, it's your choice but we both did what was good in our own minds. <3
From: Trypa \| Posted: 8/9/2003 12:38:07 PM \| Message Detail
I feel I must speak my opinion on this... Shuzo, etc: It's, uh, bad to hack other boards. Just make your own, and people would come, since they weren't just going because it was hacked, right? KSOT: You should have waited for the board's actual owners to get back and do whatever they wanted to do. They weren't your boards, you had no right to do what you did. --- There is a board for that.
From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/9/2003 01:44:56 PM \| Message Detail
"don't act like you give a damn about his source. You said it yourself, "I care noty". You just pushed EP so he'd upload it. You could've done something to prevent it but you didn't. You just purged the boards like a scared child trying to forget." Give me a break. The source had already been taken. I cared back before it was stolen. After that, it didn't matter at all. There's no way in hell it wouldn't have been released eventually. Use your brain man... "Don't even start, I knew you'd be upset and at 12 AM I offered to give you back your account myself on GameFAQs. I'm not gonna both with a link because we both know you saw it." I swear on my mothers eternal soul, I did not see you post that. "No. You need to come to the realization that it was dying. When I got there it seemed alright way back, 9 people seemed like a lot. It's not. Especially the postings, no one would add their say or anything. Your same slow pace? 1 user comes, two users get bored and leave. You're never going to get 26 people online ever again at Whitefyre. Chances are after uG hears about this he'll tear the project down. Qu'elle domage." You do realize that once all the hack buzz died down, you'd have the same people online that were there before plus the Krew? "I'm not saying what we did was right but it was right for Whitefyre. Ask uG to check the hits he got on that day (8th). How many new people registered, 60 new users? I know it was over 50 in the past 5 hours. If he graphs it he'll no doubt be blown out of the water. " Do you REALLY think it had anything to do with the new management? Ayeee, you guys didn't even DO anything! Lots of people were there that day because of the chaos... that's how spinoffs work. And most of those new accounts were created because JAY CHANGED A TON OF PASSES and people had to re-register! "I didn't agree with session 1 of course because it was nasty. I mean, who the hell would want that? Session two however was us cleaning up that mess. Like we could do anything else. uG was gone and Jay ****ed up the stats. 'Twas fun though. No doubt wF2 will be one of my proudest online accomplishments since I didn't bother hacking it. Just hope it's remembered lol." I understand you had a lot of fun admining there and I am sorry I ended it for you. I can see where you're coming from. But after what Jay did, there's no way I was going to let him ruin things any further. It's bad enough that he had access to that many IP address'. I had to de-admin ALL of you to prevent one of you from de-admining me at Jay's request. If you really enjoyed what you did there, you can probably upload that souce to lycos for free and do the same exact things. "So yea, let's not end this as being enemies. I'm all for going back to how it was before between you and I." I'm glad you feel that way because I think you're a cool person. "I don't care that you did it. I think the KOSing was a bit extreme but it was your call." Just to clarify, I didn't KoS anyone. That was my partners decision. "I mean, I think each of us knew it was going to happen eventually. So here's my olive branch accept it or not, it's your choice but we both did what was good in our own minds. <3" <3 "KSOT: You should have waited for the board's actual owners to get back and do whatever they wanted to do. They weren't your boards, you had no right to do what you did." First of all, UG left his mods in charge when he went on vacation. That means me. I was responsible for the boards well-being. That means I had EVERY right to do what I did. Secondly, Jay had already deleted/removed the posts, boards, levels, beans, karma, welcome message, a ton of usermaps, every kos'd/banned/suspended user and messed up a bunch of other minor things on the boards. He had to be stopped before he could do any more damage. For all I know, the entire userbase would have been gone by morning. That is what Jay does, he hacks spinoffs and destroys them. Ask CSC, EN or any of his other victems. Seeing as how he hacked his way into adminship with the sole intent of erradicating wF and I hacked my way in with the intention of saving it, can you really keep a straight face when you claim that what I did was wrong? Personal hatred aside Trypa, use your head here...
From: Trypa \| Posted: 8/9/2003 01:51:22 PM \| Message Detail
They also claim they did what they did to save it. --- There is a board for that.
From: Waffles \| Posted: 8/9/2003 02:23:01 PM \| Message Detail
Actually KSOT, as both Jay and I have mentioned several times, we were never going to release the source code to the public. uG certainly didn't deserve it, you got warned, and you cared not. So don't act like it wasn't your fault. --- ¨¨˜°ºO~*Waffles*~Oº°˜¨¨ -·´¯`· ¨˜°²·;;·²°˜¨ ·´¯`·-..... I made it myself I swear >_>
From: Waffles \| Posted: 8/9/2003 02:29:25 PM \| Message Detail
Oh, and two things: plus the Krew? If you had even looked around, nobody from your feared "KOSby Kids" was there. Things were looking up, and people even said it was better than the real whiteFyre. Sorry for bringing in an air of fun. That was my partners decision. There's just something funny about that... --- ¨¨˜°ºO~*Waffles*~Oº°˜¨¨ -·´¯`· ¨˜°²·;;·²°˜¨ ·´¯`·-..... I made it myself I swear >_>
From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/9/2003 02:40:09 PM \| Message Detail
"They also claim they did what they did to save it." Well it wasn't their board to save to begin with. They weren't the one left in charge when UG went away. Matter of fact, most of them weren't supposed to be there in the first place. Here's a great analogy that was just posted there in response to someone yelling at me for stopping the madness: It's like someone burning your house down and then trying to get the firemen arrested for soaking your stuff when they're putting the fire out. "Actually KSOT, as both Jay and I have mentioned several times, we were never going to release the source code to the public. uG certainly didn't deserve it," Maybe you don't realize it yet, but jay's word means dick. Once UG came back and KoS'd the lot of you, I'm 100% positive Jay would have released the source. Either way... other people like onionkid were also getting the source, so someone would have leaked it eventually. "you got warned, and you cared not. So don't act like it wasn't your fault." I got threatened, not warned. Did you guys really expect me to give you back full control of the site just to save the source from being publicized for another few days? Doesn't matter either way though, since that source obviously has major security issues (not including the new ones Jay added to it for his personal use). Nobody in their right mind would use it. Also, UG had mentioned he was thinking of releasing his source anyway, so he probably won't care very much. It's not as if this is somehow harmful to wF... --- The Jokes on you! K A R R N A isn't even a word! Muahahahahaha!!!
From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/9/2003 02:46:39 PM \| Message Detail
"nobody from your feared "KOSby Kids" was there." xTUx was there, right? And even if Jay isn't KoS'd on gamefaqs, he is very much a member of their Krew. Same goes for EP, Ant P, and probably a few other anonymous parties that were sharing accounts, or involved in some other way. "There's just something funny about that..." Is this supposed to be some veiled SPI? Nice Waffles... --- The Jokes on you! K A R R N A isn't even a word! Muahahahahaha!!!
From: Waffles \| Posted: 8/9/2003 02:57:26 PM \| Message Detail
Actually, it just shows that you have the inability to do much. Now, the only person I can think of that would be your "parter" would be Shadow... Seriously, I've known Jay a lot longer than anybody else here has. I got suspended at DSL for not giving away admin positions... so you can't pass judgement that what we were doing there was bad. Oh, and for this "great" analogy right here: It's like someone burning your house down and then trying to get the firemen arrested for soaking your stuff when they're putting the fire out. We weren't wrecking anything. The damage had already been done. The proper analogy would go something like: It's like your house burned down and neighbors try to help clean up, but then the police come and arrest you. --- ¨¨˜°ºO~*Waffles*~Oº°˜¨¨ -·´¯`· ¨˜°²·;;·²°˜¨ ·´¯`·-..... I made it myself I swear >_>
From: Waffles \| Posted: 8/9/2003 02:58:28 PM \| Message Detail
to do much on your own* --- ¨¨˜°ºO~*Waffles*~Oº°˜¨¨ -·´¯`· ¨˜°²·;;·²°˜¨ ·´¯`·-..... I made it myself I swear >_>
From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/9/2003 03:09:07 PM \| Message Detail
"Actually, it just shows that you have the inability to do much. Now, the only person I can think of that would be your "parter" would be Shadow..." Because I got someone to help means I "have the inability to do much?" Whatever you say Waffles. And I won't be exposing my partner, that's for sure. "Seriously, I've known Jay a lot longer than anybody else here has. I got suspended at DSL for not giving away admin positions... so you can't pass judgement that what we were doing there was bad." I never said that what you and Shuzo were doing was bad, but you had no right to do it in the first place. The point is that you were admined by Jay, the person who hacked the boards and destroyed a lot of things. You were part of his regime and therefore, had to be de-admined with him. I wasn't about to pick and choose which admins should go and which should stay because for all I know, I wouldn't have been able to trust any of you. Jay admined you, so logic would lead me to believe that you would de-admin me and re-admin Jay the first chance you got. Maybe if you hadn't have done whatever it is that you did to get demodded on wF, you could have been the positive influence you were trying to be last night in an appropriate manner. --- The Jokes on you! K A R R N A isn't even a word! Muahahahahaha!!!
From: Waffles \| Posted: 8/9/2003 03:33:21 PM \| Message Detail
so logic would lead me to believe that you would de-admin me and re-admin Jay the first chance you got. Of course I would. --- ¨¨˜°ºO~*Waffles*~Oº°˜¨¨ -·´¯`· ¨˜°²·;;·²°˜¨ ·´¯`·-..... I made it myself I swear >_>
From: Endless Nightmares \| Posted: 8/9/2003 04:57:05 PM \| Message Detail
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From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/9/2003 05:30:29 PM \| Message Detail
Kind of like your boards. --- The Jokes on you! K A R R N A isn't even a word! Muahahahahaha!!!
From: Xythar \| Posted: 8/9/2003 06:03:24 PM \| Message Detail
Shuzo and Waffle: See, I don't need to read all the BS you're spewing, and I couldn't care less how great the boards supposedly were with you in charge. The only thing that matters here is that they were not your boards, and you therefore had no right to steal them. I mean, what exactly is uG going to receive when he gets back? An email saying about how his boards were "dying" by your personal specifications, and instead of waiting for him to get back and then taking it up with him, you thought you'd take things into your own hands (because as we know, you're obviously the most important people there), steal whiteFyre and replace it with your own personal board, and then complain that Kaysot put things back to the way he'd left them (and we can assume, the way he wanted them to stay)? Give up. There is absolutely no justification for what you did, so stop trying to invent some. --- -Xythar Darkmoon, Master Magus I put on my robe and wizard hat.
From: Craig3410 \| Posted: 8/9/2003 09:22:13 PM \| Message Detail
I'm siding with KSOT on this one. From what I see, you're claiming the boards got popular after they were hacked. Basically, you're using the same logic as if you killed someone in a movie theater, and people had to pay to get in, so by killing someone, you made the theater popular. No offense, but that's completely illogical. And KSOT, you might want to check the boards. Some censoreds are bumping up old topics, disrupting the flow of the boards. --- [A moderator was deleted by this message]
From: I N F E R N O \| Posted: 8/9/2003 10:21:23 PM \| Message Detail
Wee! Look at me! I have no clue what's going on!
From: Slayk \| Posted: 8/9/2003 10:25:24 PM \| Message Detail
Craig, for future refrence that is Post Hoc, Ergo Proptor Hoc. --- Slayk - My walnuts!
From: Steve \| Posted: 8/9/2003 11:06:21 PM \| Message Detail
My only comment is that if my boards were stolen; I would prosecute. To the fullest. --- ¨¨˜°ºO~*Steve*~Oº°˜¨¨ -·´¯`· ¨˜°²·;;·²°˜¨ ·´¯`·-
From: Shuzo \| Posted: 8/9/2003 11:33:12 PM \| Message Detail
Xythar, I didn't steal whitefyre. I logged into the boards as a banned user and was restored to level 5 then to 21. I did what I could to make the most of the situation. What the hell would you do? Given the chance I'd say a lot of people would take it. What we did wasn't negative to the boards. Waffles and I never reset the boards, karma, beans, changed the passwords or any of that. We did what we could to make the best of the bad situation. I've already admitted that it was the wrong thing to do since they wern't our boards. I think what upset Waffles and I the most was seeing the boards so active and we got so into it that when it was taken away it was like admin withdrawl or something. Hacked or not people still had fun on our boards. I can't say that was why they came. It wasn't. I'll submit and say they came for the hacking. But a lot of users had fun. That's all I wanted. --- I am forever...
From: Corbon! \| Posted: 8/9/2003 11:44:34 PM \| Message Detail
If yo want to blame someone, blame the guy(s) who hacked the board, not the stupid followers. You can´t built up a board again by making some morons admins, so your statement is nonsense, Waffles. --- l\|¯ l\|¯\| l\|¯) l\|¯) l\|¯\| l\|\ \| l\|_ l\|_\| l\|¯\ l\|_) l\|_\| l\| \\|
From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/10/2003 12:06:19 AM \| Message Detail
Shuzo, I don't blame you and waffles for trying to make the most of what you were given. But if you put yourself in my shoes, you can understand why I did what I did, right? --- The Jokes on you! K A R R N A isn't even a word! Muahahahahaha!!!
From: Endless Nightmares \| Posted: 8/10/2003 12:11:17 AM \| Message Detail
No, you and the moderastor who deleted that are. --- Farside Blues Message Boards: http://www.farsideblues.com/boards/ liek omg
From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/10/2003 12:17:46 AM \| Message Detail
Does anyone know who EN is talking to or what he's trying to say? --- The Jokes on you! K A R R N A isn't even a word! Muahahahahaha!!!
From: Shuzo \| Posted: 8/10/2003 12:46:36 AM \| Message Detail
But if you put yourself in my shoes, you can understand why I did what I did, right? Yea, I do understand perfectly. I'm glad my name was taken off the hacker list on the front page. Also, I think you of all people should know I had no malicious intent for that site.
From: Xythar \| Posted: 8/10/2003 02:06:50 AM \| Message Detail
Fine. I won't hold it against you, but don't go off on Kaysot for doing exactly the right thing. My only comment is that if my boards were stolen; I would prosecute. To the fullest. Given that the hackers released uG's source code, I think that could be a very real possibility. I'd be interested in hearing how it turns out. --- -Xythar Darkmoon, Master Magus I put on my robe and wizard hat.
From: Kirby Still On Top? \| Posted: 8/10/2003 03:28:48 AM \| Message Detail
"Yea, I do understand perfectly. I'm glad my name was taken off the hacker list on the front page. Also, I think you of all people should know I had no malicious intent for that site." Yup, I know. That's why I took your name off the list. When UG comes back, we'll see about unbanning your account if you care. I was thinking about just doing it myself a few hours ago... but I'm obligated to discuss these things with everyone first. "Given that the hackers released uG's source code, I think that could be a very real possibility. I'd be interested in hearing how it turns out." Everyone on whiteFyre knows that UG is rather apathetic when it comes to the boards. We'll see if he cares enough to take action, but somehow... I doubt he will. I don't think he enjoys being hated like I do >_> "My only comment is that if my boards were stolen; I would prosecute. To the fullest." I do have a question for you though, Steve. Hypothetically speaking, if you went on vacation for a few weeks and a user you had KoS'd before hacked your boards, screwed everything up and made all of his buddies admins, would you be AT ALL mad if one of your mods broke their way in to get your boards back for you? --- The Jokes on you! K A R R N A isn't even a word! Muahahahahaha!!!
From: Grey Mold Rat \| Posted: 8/10/2003 03:48:15 AM \| Message Detail
... WhiteFyre still exists? --- [This message was created by a moron.]
From: Steve \| Posted: 8/10/2003 08:47:03 AM \| Message Detail
I don't honestly know. --- ¨¨˜°ºO~*Steve*~Oº°˜¨¨ -·´¯`· ¨˜°²·;;·²°˜¨ ·´¯`·-