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School as a government institution to produce dumb adults
Her: Tell me what happened.
Me: I was doing my work and the teacher told me to show what I?ve done.
Her: And did you?
Me: No ? because ?
Her: (interrupting me) why haven?t you showed her the work?
Me: Because she was
Her: (interrupting me again) No, it wasn?t because of her. Why haven?t YOU showed her the work?
You remind of a guy in my class who cries to her mom because the teacher sends him to the hall, because he cant stop talking loud and dont stupid jokes to everyone.
.. they will respect and obey authority without questions....
Imagine if about 60 million of persons do whatever they want?
Use your brain kid.
First, they would make you stand outside in the hall ? then detention ? then being interrogated with the principles. Then suspension and expulsion if things go bad.
If you do stupid things like a dumbass in my class that will happen to you.
He cant stop doing stupid jokes, if you dont want to make homework, fine, but you need to let other people study.
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Why do girls use bra?-ZodiaMaster
Because they're fun to remove, duh.-Mr Gonzo
Me: I was doing my work and the teacher told me to show what I?ve done.
Her: And did you?
Me: No ? because ?
Her: (interrupting me) why haven?t you showed her the work?
Me: Because she was
Her: (interrupting me again) No, it wasn?t because of her. Why haven?t YOU showed her the work?
You remind of a guy in my class who cries to her mom because the teacher sends him to the hall, because he cant stop talking loud and dont stupid jokes to everyone.
.. they will respect and obey authority without questions....
Imagine if about 60 million of persons do whatever they want?
Use your brain kid.
First, they would make you stand outside in the hall ? then detention ? then being interrogated with the principles. Then suspension and expulsion if things go bad.
If you do stupid things like a dumbass in my class that will happen to you.
He cant stop doing stupid jokes, if you dont want to make homework, fine, but you need to let other people study.
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Why do girls use bra?-ZodiaMaster
Because they're fun to remove, duh.-Mr Gonzo
Frankly, I don't lile showing work either, but I think it's neccessary until it has been established exactly which students are capable of doing it in their head, and which students are clearly cheating. It gets to be a problem to me when the teacher becomes anal about it though
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I used to be omnipotent, then I created a boulder so large that I couldn't lift it, thus negating my own existance.
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I used to be omnipotent, then I created a boulder so large that I couldn't lift it, thus negating my own existance.
When its not blatant, its subtle. Notice the various vending machines strategically stationed around the cafeteria, the gym, the hallway ? have you ever found yourself buying a soda even when you?re not thirsty? it?s the subliminal message at work.
There arent vending machines n my school.
Math questions also involve consumerism: How much interest does Joe pays if he brought a CD player on compounded interest at 9 percent for six months?
Maybe because maths use numbers?
"To future confuse you, they teach subjects that are confusing. Have you ever wondered why they teach Shakespeare?s literature in every grade? The people who created the curriculum didn?t happen to just say, ?oh. Lets do Shakespeare. The kids will love it.?. No. The government inserted Shakespeare?s literature to confuse the students into thinking that writing and reading is a difficult task. That?s why they choose Victorian style English and complex sentences. This dirty tactic works wonderfully as it confuse the kids ? and when the kids get confused, they think they don?t understand the literature and that they are dumb. And if they?re dumb and cannot earn an AP or honored English course, then they cannot attend university. And if they cannot attend university, they won?t make the big bucks ?. And their lives are ruined."
Reading a book is not bad, but you school is really bad, we read Tolkien books. Reading a good book is a good way to learn grammar.
Have you ever wondered why the school report card is formatted numerically? Why are your grades percentages instead of, oh say, a pass or a failure. If you carefully inspect the report card you?ll see the hidden purpose behind the report card: that it rigs competition among your peers. It creates this imaginary social status: those who get good marks are rewarded, while those who are failing are giving the label of idiots and dumb kids who couldn?t think for themselves when we know this is a dirty lie.
That made me laugh.
Im starting to think that "S.i.y.o.O"<---hint: fad of LUE.
the government do not need to make stupid adults. Those who decide to be stupid become stupid with little help from the government.
AGREE`d
I agree with the topic creater on only one thing, propaganda in schools. a good example is in many history books it makes communisum sound evil. in a utopia comunisum would probly be the form of goverment because in communisum everyone is equal. the only problem with communisum is that everyone is not equal, some are stronger or smarter than everyone else.thus, communisum would work on paper but fails in real life.aside from that, everything he said is BS.
Communism isnt bad, the thing is that you do NOT own anything.
Private school is no more beneficial then public school; private school is where the rich kids congregate and become indoctrinated the same as public school kids, and perhaps the curriculum is a bit harder. And is all: there is nothing to it. Private school falsely advertise to affluent parents that if they send their kids to this school, its safer, they?ll learn faster, become better citizens etc ? but its not all veritable; its all debatable, perhaps.
A big LOL, Im not rich and I go to Private school.
But is in the USA, here private schools are better than public schools, remember USA is not the world.
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Why do girls use bra?-ZodiaMaster
Because they're fun to remove, duh.-Mr Gonzo
There arent vending machines n my school.
Math questions also involve consumerism: How much interest does Joe pays if he brought a CD player on compounded interest at 9 percent for six months?
Maybe because maths use numbers?
"To future confuse you, they teach subjects that are confusing. Have you ever wondered why they teach Shakespeare?s literature in every grade? The people who created the curriculum didn?t happen to just say, ?oh. Lets do Shakespeare. The kids will love it.?. No. The government inserted Shakespeare?s literature to confuse the students into thinking that writing and reading is a difficult task. That?s why they choose Victorian style English and complex sentences. This dirty tactic works wonderfully as it confuse the kids ? and when the kids get confused, they think they don?t understand the literature and that they are dumb. And if they?re dumb and cannot earn an AP or honored English course, then they cannot attend university. And if they cannot attend university, they won?t make the big bucks ?. And their lives are ruined."
Reading a book is not bad, but you school is really bad, we read Tolkien books. Reading a good book is a good way to learn grammar.
Have you ever wondered why the school report card is formatted numerically? Why are your grades percentages instead of, oh say, a pass or a failure. If you carefully inspect the report card you?ll see the hidden purpose behind the report card: that it rigs competition among your peers. It creates this imaginary social status: those who get good marks are rewarded, while those who are failing are giving the label of idiots and dumb kids who couldn?t think for themselves when we know this is a dirty lie.
That made me laugh.
Im starting to think that "S.i.y.o.O"<---hint: fad of LUE.
the government do not need to make stupid adults. Those who decide to be stupid become stupid with little help from the government.
AGREE`d
I agree with the topic creater on only one thing, propaganda in schools. a good example is in many history books it makes communisum sound evil. in a utopia comunisum would probly be the form of goverment because in communisum everyone is equal. the only problem with communisum is that everyone is not equal, some are stronger or smarter than everyone else.thus, communisum would work on paper but fails in real life.aside from that, everything he said is BS.
Communism isnt bad, the thing is that you do NOT own anything.
Private school is no more beneficial then public school; private school is where the rich kids congregate and become indoctrinated the same as public school kids, and perhaps the curriculum is a bit harder. And is all: there is nothing to it. Private school falsely advertise to affluent parents that if they send their kids to this school, its safer, they?ll learn faster, become better citizens etc ? but its not all veritable; its all debatable, perhaps.
A big LOL, Im not rich and I go to Private school.
But is in the USA, here private schools are better than public schools, remember USA is not the world.
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Why do girls use bra?-ZodiaMaster
Because they're fun to remove, duh.-Mr Gonzo
Anyway, like I said: with the invention of the world adolescent, the school can extend a kid?s childhood for a few years therefore creating of dependence --- and a sense of helplessness. Like a baby longing for a milk bottle, the adolescent will need guidance every step of the way, consulting to these so called ?experts?. From what they should eat to what they should wear or buy, these ?experts? out there, the people in authority will guide you. So you just lost your independent and self-reliance, your critical judgment and skepticism. This continues even when you?re an adult.
If you follow everything they say, its your problem.
For those of who are still in school, imagine this: you bite the bullet and finish post secondary education. You get a job which you probably hate -- but it pays the bills. You work from 9 to 5, go home and watch television.
If you choose a work that you dont like you plainly dumb, Dont you have anything else to do taht watch TV?
Homework completion: %10
Tests: %20
Quizzes: %10
Exam: %30
Accumulative activity: %20
Daily assignments: %10
Normal people is not that stupid.
Inmates in prisons are kept in individual cells locked up with very little outside stimuli. Thus there are no windows, no pretty pictures on the wall and sparse furniture. Now take a look at your class room. Schools that are built after the 1920s will have small or no windows at all. This is to seal the outside world from the students, to create a timeless illusion.
MY school has tons of HUGE windows, there are some pictures that us, student put on the wall.
Inmates eat in cafeteria. So do students with the ?lunch supervisor? watching. But we all know they?re just clever disguised lunch guards. Inmates have their daily exercise outside the prison sealed with fences. So do schools. Now, we don?t want the children escaping, do we?
We dont.
Cameras are ubiquitous in prison. These surveillance devices are in school, too. They?re not so much for your protection (if some guy is going to stab you, he will. A camera won?t stop him from doing so, but it might be used as empirical evidence in court) but for the staffs at school to watch your every move. There is no such thing as privacy. And when people lose their pirvacy, they become submissive. Or angry. Look at the example in George Orwell?s 1984 book. The police state employ surveillance everywhere and people had no piracy and the ultimate submissive towards authority occurred.
Usually there teachers, just in case boys fight(like I usually do :p), or in case something happens, a guy nearly broke his leg felling from the stairs the last friday :s.
How about the cameras in the streets, the subway system, your major intersection ... cameras in THE PUBLIC PLACE.
In case some idiot kills someone?
People who attend college and university think they?re on top of the intellectual pyramid
Most people do.
While the Chinese and Japanese students work hard at school, hoping to be accepted in a prestigious university, American university students are more laid back and relaxed
I have to agree, different cultures. I prefer japanese.
Because those "relaxed" student can get job because they are "son of ..." or "brother of..."
With that said, the government wants to control the what kind of information filters to the general populace receives. This comes in the form of misinformation or propaganda shown on CNN, your local six o? clock news, school, books.
True.
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Why do girls use bra?-ZodiaMaster
Because they're fun to remove, duh.-Mr Gonzo
If you follow everything they say, its your problem.
For those of who are still in school, imagine this: you bite the bullet and finish post secondary education. You get a job which you probably hate -- but it pays the bills. You work from 9 to 5, go home and watch television.
If you choose a work that you dont like you plainly dumb, Dont you have anything else to do taht watch TV?
Homework completion: %10
Tests: %20
Quizzes: %10
Exam: %30
Accumulative activity: %20
Daily assignments: %10
Normal people is not that stupid.
Inmates in prisons are kept in individual cells locked up with very little outside stimuli. Thus there are no windows, no pretty pictures on the wall and sparse furniture. Now take a look at your class room. Schools that are built after the 1920s will have small or no windows at all. This is to seal the outside world from the students, to create a timeless illusion.
MY school has tons of HUGE windows, there are some pictures that us, student put on the wall.
Inmates eat in cafeteria. So do students with the ?lunch supervisor? watching. But we all know they?re just clever disguised lunch guards. Inmates have their daily exercise outside the prison sealed with fences. So do schools. Now, we don?t want the children escaping, do we?
We dont.
Cameras are ubiquitous in prison. These surveillance devices are in school, too. They?re not so much for your protection (if some guy is going to stab you, he will. A camera won?t stop him from doing so, but it might be used as empirical evidence in court) but for the staffs at school to watch your every move. There is no such thing as privacy. And when people lose their pirvacy, they become submissive. Or angry. Look at the example in George Orwell?s 1984 book. The police state employ surveillance everywhere and people had no piracy and the ultimate submissive towards authority occurred.
Usually there teachers, just in case boys fight(like I usually do :p), or in case something happens, a guy nearly broke his leg felling from the stairs the last friday :s.
How about the cameras in the streets, the subway system, your major intersection ... cameras in THE PUBLIC PLACE.
In case some idiot kills someone?
People who attend college and university think they?re on top of the intellectual pyramid
Most people do.
While the Chinese and Japanese students work hard at school, hoping to be accepted in a prestigious university, American university students are more laid back and relaxed
I have to agree, different cultures. I prefer japanese.
Because those "relaxed" student can get job because they are "son of ..." or "brother of..."
With that said, the government wants to control the what kind of information filters to the general populace receives. This comes in the form of misinformation or propaganda shown on CNN, your local six o? clock news, school, books.
True.
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Why do girls use bra?-ZodiaMaster
Because they're fun to remove, duh.-Mr Gonzo
SUMMARY:
Onewordanswer the government is just trying to educate people well so they can lead tommowrows nations. just because your a bad student doesn't mean you can try to be smart and take it out on other schools....sheesh we need to get you to a hospital and quick
onewordanswer:
Anyway, you can write book with this thing.
If this happens in USA, Im happy to not live there because im not a "slave".
btw: Great Thread onewordanswer, It was fun to read about this "conspirations", seriously.
Fun enough to read it for 2 hours.
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Why do girls use bra?-ZodiaMaster
Because they're fun to remove, duh.-Mr Gonzo
Onewordanswer the government is just trying to educate people well so they can lead tommowrows nations. just because your a bad student doesn't mean you can try to be smart and take it out on other schools....sheesh we need to get you to a hospital and quick
onewordanswer:
Anyway, you can write book with this thing.
If this happens in USA, Im happy to not live there because im not a "slave".
btw: Great Thread onewordanswer, It was fun to read about this "conspirations", seriously.
Fun enough to read it for 2 hours.
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Why do girls use bra?-ZodiaMaster
Because they're fun to remove, duh.-Mr Gonzo
I read the whole thing. You make some good points and you back those up with analysis and examples. My only advice for you though is to see a Psychologist and talk about your problems with them.
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There is no such thing as death, life is just a dream, and we are an imagination of ourselves...
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There is no such thing as death, life is just a dream, and we are an imagination of ourselves...
I must wonder why are people still reading this? Onewordanswer, your topic seemed interesting and convincing at first, but it's getting more and more obvious that you're just making up BS. You refuse to answer most criticisms, and then you make really vague statements in the topic. I'd say it's time to give up on this. How can you claim to know anything about this and still mess up a few facts? You misnamed the scientist Pavlov even after someone corrected you, and you make lots of false statements. For example, you talked about how school's set up as a prison-like environment, with no windows and so on. That's odd: my school has plenty of windows and the teachers are free to decorate their rooms with various posters. About it being meant to teach consumerism: that's odd too. It certainly explains why health class (and other classes) taught us to be careful about advertisements, or why we examined the different forms of propaganda while reading Animal Farm. Sure, there's much to criticize about school. Call me brainwashed if you want, but his conspiracy theory is getting ridiculous.
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NEVER sell your old consoles! You'll regret it someday! They can still be fun!
And don't buy the game just because it has a flashy commercial!
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NEVER sell your old consoles! You'll regret it someday! They can still be fun!
And don't buy the game just because it has a flashy commercial!
i'm going to raise a new point. this is mostly directed to onewordanswer, but his supporters can give their views as well. you seem to be extremely opposed to the idea of an indoctrinated society. what i want to know is, how is that kind of society necessarily a bad society?
what is your idea of a good society? what is the purpose of our civilization? is a good society one that has free thinking individuals? what truly is the purpose of free thought? what do people spend their time and energy on? i believe that we live in an evolving society and that we are constantly trying to reach an equilibrium for our society.
if we had a society in equilibrium, where we had more or less a constant population, renewable energy, and enough land and resources for everyone in the population to continue surviving indefinitely, would there be a need for free thought? that kind of society is entirely possible. if we had the necessary technology, we could in fact create that kind of society. in the equilibrium, the society no longer needs new ideas to survive. as long as people are educated in their necessary jobs and the rules of the society, they can continue to maintain it. as long as the society is maintaned, life continues. free thought is useless because there are no longer any applications for it. in this kind of society, radical thinkers and overly individualistic people can destabilize it. in this case, people would have to be indoctrinated in order to maintain the society.
our upbringing causes us to reject this idea. we believe freedom is a basic right of humans. we would be appalled that we would have to conform to society. this goes back to the purpose of our freedom. why do we need it? people need it because they are indoctrinated with this belief. if we were to take away their freedom and indoctrinate them to be happy with out it; to brainwash them into accepting their life and be genuinely happy with it, then who will complain? if everyone is content, there will be no unrest. people will not want freedom if they believe they do not want it.
this is not necessarily a bad thing. assuming a society at equilibrium, if every single person is brainwashed into accepting the society, the society will function indefinitely. there will be no unrest. everyone will be happy and content. there will be peace and plenty. what more is there to ask for?
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I don't mind being called a liar when i'm lying, or about to lie, or just finished lying. But not! When I'm telling! The truth!- Homer Simpson
what is your idea of a good society? what is the purpose of our civilization? is a good society one that has free thinking individuals? what truly is the purpose of free thought? what do people spend their time and energy on? i believe that we live in an evolving society and that we are constantly trying to reach an equilibrium for our society.
if we had a society in equilibrium, where we had more or less a constant population, renewable energy, and enough land and resources for everyone in the population to continue surviving indefinitely, would there be a need for free thought? that kind of society is entirely possible. if we had the necessary technology, we could in fact create that kind of society. in the equilibrium, the society no longer needs new ideas to survive. as long as people are educated in their necessary jobs and the rules of the society, they can continue to maintain it. as long as the society is maintaned, life continues. free thought is useless because there are no longer any applications for it. in this kind of society, radical thinkers and overly individualistic people can destabilize it. in this case, people would have to be indoctrinated in order to maintain the society.
our upbringing causes us to reject this idea. we believe freedom is a basic right of humans. we would be appalled that we would have to conform to society. this goes back to the purpose of our freedom. why do we need it? people need it because they are indoctrinated with this belief. if we were to take away their freedom and indoctrinate them to be happy with out it; to brainwash them into accepting their life and be genuinely happy with it, then who will complain? if everyone is content, there will be no unrest. people will not want freedom if they believe they do not want it.
this is not necessarily a bad thing. assuming a society at equilibrium, if every single person is brainwashed into accepting the society, the society will function indefinitely. there will be no unrest. everyone will be happy and content. there will be peace and plenty. what more is there to ask for?
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I don't mind being called a liar when i'm lying, or about to lie, or just finished lying. But not! When I'm telling! The truth!- Homer Simpson
for an example of this society, refer to Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. i am well aware that he himself was opposed to the idea, but i do not think that means the idea cannot work. i also understand that in the early stages, corruption in the brainwashing process will defeat the purpose of the society. this idea assumes that there will be some people who can start the process without taking advantage of it.
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I don't mind being called a liar when i'm lying, or about to lie, or just finished lying. But not! When I'm telling! The truth!- Homer Simpson
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I don't mind being called a liar when i'm lying, or about to lie, or just finished lying. But not! When I'm telling! The truth!- Homer Simpson
Response to Youdontknowme:
I believe that it is important for us to be free, independent thinkers because our rationality is what makes us fully human; it sets us apart from the animals. Our ability to criticize authority and speak out against injustice is an integral part of our humanity.
You raise a very thorny question: What if a society filled with brainwashed morons produced more happiness than our current society, where so many people struggle toward contrary goals?
My response is that some things are more important than mere happiness, such as human dignity and integrity. This is one of my deepest convictions. We are meant to question what we hear and strive toward truth, one of the highest of human values.
This line of questioning reminds me of one of the central dilemmas in The Matrix. Is it better to remain in the Matrix and be a happy and comfortable slave, or to live as a free man in a harsh world? Personally, I would choose freedom, because to choose any amount of happiness over the truth seems a betrayal of humanity.
You might ask what the philosophical justification for my stance is. I've given what explanations I can. But eventually, if you keep asking, "Why?," all justifications will run out, and I am left to say, "Because this is simply what I believe." I believe that liberty, dignity, and the search for truth will always be important, and though this may be an idealistic view, I am determined to live by it.
I believe that it is important for us to be free, independent thinkers because our rationality is what makes us fully human; it sets us apart from the animals. Our ability to criticize authority and speak out against injustice is an integral part of our humanity.
You raise a very thorny question: What if a society filled with brainwashed morons produced more happiness than our current society, where so many people struggle toward contrary goals?
My response is that some things are more important than mere happiness, such as human dignity and integrity. This is one of my deepest convictions. We are meant to question what we hear and strive toward truth, one of the highest of human values.
This line of questioning reminds me of one of the central dilemmas in The Matrix. Is it better to remain in the Matrix and be a happy and comfortable slave, or to live as a free man in a harsh world? Personally, I would choose freedom, because to choose any amount of happiness over the truth seems a betrayal of humanity.
You might ask what the philosophical justification for my stance is. I've given what explanations I can. But eventually, if you keep asking, "Why?," all justifications will run out, and I am left to say, "Because this is simply what I believe." I believe that liberty, dignity, and the search for truth will always be important, and though this may be an idealistic view, I am determined to live by it.
Summary
As this board reaches the 37th page (at least for me, since my settings are set to 10 posts per page), I thought I'd summarize some of onewordanswer's main arguments.
These arguments are linked, but they're not entirely dependent; it's entirely possible to accept some while rejecting others. That's why I thought it'd be good to try and separate them, for the sake of clarity.
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1. Problem #1 with our school system: It does not encourage rational thought or critical analysis. Much of the curriculum is dumbed down, washed out, and dull.
2. Problem #2 with our school system: It is overly repressive. Teachers and administrators crack down on any student dissent, indoctrinating students to obey authority without question.
3. Source of the problem: These two central flaws in the school system are deliberate; they're an integral part of the way the school system was designed. The government set it up this way on purpose as part of a conspiracy to bring about a docile population.
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While I completely disagree with the third argument, I find myself agreeing in large part with the first and second arguments (though I frequently also disagree with onewordanswer's reasoning in coming to those conclusions).
Onewordanswer, if I'm misrepresenting your position, please correct me.
As this board reaches the 37th page (at least for me, since my settings are set to 10 posts per page), I thought I'd summarize some of onewordanswer's main arguments.
These arguments are linked, but they're not entirely dependent; it's entirely possible to accept some while rejecting others. That's why I thought it'd be good to try and separate them, for the sake of clarity.
________
1. Problem #1 with our school system: It does not encourage rational thought or critical analysis. Much of the curriculum is dumbed down, washed out, and dull.
2. Problem #2 with our school system: It is overly repressive. Teachers and administrators crack down on any student dissent, indoctrinating students to obey authority without question.
3. Source of the problem: These two central flaws in the school system are deliberate; they're an integral part of the way the school system was designed. The government set it up this way on purpose as part of a conspiracy to bring about a docile population.
________
While I completely disagree with the third argument, I find myself agreeing in large part with the first and second arguments (though I frequently also disagree with onewordanswer's reasoning in coming to those conclusions).
Onewordanswer, if I'm misrepresenting your position, please correct me.
You refuse to answer most criticisms,
It takes alot of my time researching and writing up the articles and then I spend some more time reading your replies.
I don't have anytime for rebuttals. Understood?
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The real purpose behind high school -- students must read!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=214&topic=15602033&page=0
It takes alot of my time researching and writing up the articles and then I spend some more time reading your replies.
I don't have anytime for rebuttals. Understood?
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The real purpose behind high school -- students must read!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=214&topic=15602033&page=0
To onewordanswer:
We're all busy, and we all have limited time; there's only so much that we can do. I understand that researching and writing your essays must take quite a bit of time.
Having said that, I think that your detractors would rather that you answered their criticisms instead of making new essays. The only way you're going to convince them is if you take them on and make specific rebuttals to their points. So in terms of winning this debate (and winning people to your side), it seems to me that rebuttals are more important than additional essays.
However, it's your time. Spend it as you see fit.
We're all busy, and we all have limited time; there's only so much that we can do. I understand that researching and writing your essays must take quite a bit of time.
Having said that, I think that your detractors would rather that you answered their criticisms instead of making new essays. The only way you're going to convince them is if you take them on and make specific rebuttals to their points. So in terms of winning this debate (and winning people to your side), it seems to me that rebuttals are more important than additional essays.
However, it's your time. Spend it as you see fit.
Acknowledged.
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The real purpose behind high school -- students must read!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=214&topic=15602033&page=0
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The real purpose behind high school -- students must read!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=214&topic=15602033&page=0
I don't offer any rebutals.
I simply don't give a **** if you believe in me or not; all these essays or articles or whatever you wanna call them is simply my observations as a prisoner of school.
And I have no desire to proof my points 'right' to a bunch of adolescents. Agree with my point? Cool. Don't agree? I don't give a *****.
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The real purpose behind high school -- students must read!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=214&topic=15602033&page=0
I simply don't give a **** if you believe in me or not; all these essays or articles or whatever you wanna call them is simply my observations as a prisoner of school.
And I have no desire to proof my points 'right' to a bunch of adolescents. Agree with my point? Cool. Don't agree? I don't give a *****.
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The real purpose behind high school -- students must read!
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this topic is dying. please don't let it die.
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um who the hell is CJayC? - Chunky MonkeyLOL
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um who the hell is CJayC? - Chunky MonkeyLOL
this topic is dying. please don't let it die.
You can help this topic by posting the link *points to sig* to other populated boards on gamefaqs ...
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You can help this topic by posting the link *points to sig* to other populated boards on gamefaqs ...
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this topic got into the GFA
you sould cheak it out
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you sould cheak it out
http://chris.insder.com/
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Due to budget costs, the light at the end of the tunnel will be switched off.The Dreadnaught Factor Clan Board 25799
This board's been too quiet lately. Time to start something.
To those of you who oppose onewordanswer:
I know that you disagree with oneword's argument that the sad state of our public schools is caused by a government conspiracy to create a docile population. I do too. However, what do you think about oneword's overall critique of the school system? (This corresponds to arguments one and two in my summary a few posts earlier.) That is, would you agree that the school system is 1) overly repressive, and 2) dumbs students down?
I think that discussing these issues might prove a more fruitful debate, since regardless of the origins of the problems in our school system, we've still got to deal with the problems themselves.
Onewordanswer doesn't have time to debate. That's fine; I do. I would contend that in many instances, our public schools restrict students' rights too harshly, creating an atmosphere where mindless acceptance of authority is encouraged. Moreover, the school system often does have the effect of dumbing students down, since they can pass from grade to grade without learning the critical thinking skills they need to be truly educated.
I'm not contending that this is true of every single school (thankfully, my high school wasn't like this, though my middle school was), but it is true in many schools across the nation.
So, anyone want to take me on regarding these issues?
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Golagros: So you would have us die?
Wiegraf: Not in vain. Take as many nobles with you as possible!
To those of you who oppose onewordanswer:
I know that you disagree with oneword's argument that the sad state of our public schools is caused by a government conspiracy to create a docile population. I do too. However, what do you think about oneword's overall critique of the school system? (This corresponds to arguments one and two in my summary a few posts earlier.) That is, would you agree that the school system is 1) overly repressive, and 2) dumbs students down?
I think that discussing these issues might prove a more fruitful debate, since regardless of the origins of the problems in our school system, we've still got to deal with the problems themselves.
Onewordanswer doesn't have time to debate. That's fine; I do. I would contend that in many instances, our public schools restrict students' rights too harshly, creating an atmosphere where mindless acceptance of authority is encouraged. Moreover, the school system often does have the effect of dumbing students down, since they can pass from grade to grade without learning the critical thinking skills they need to be truly educated.
I'm not contending that this is true of every single school (thankfully, my high school wasn't like this, though my middle school was), but it is true in many schools across the nation.
So, anyone want to take me on regarding these issues?
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Golagros: So you would have us die?
Wiegraf: Not in vain. Take as many nobles with you as possible!
Civilization is going down hill man.
Or the second wave civilization (also known as the industry era) is collapsing; in comes the third wave.
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Or the second wave civilization (also known as the industry era) is collapsing; in comes the third wave.
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The real purpose behind high school -- students must read!
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You were your own boss
Child labor, anyone? Prior to the 1900s there were reform movements to end child labor that were struck down. Then in the Progressive Era, people decided that adults needed jobs and children needed to get educated. Parents couldn't teach their children how to read if they themselves couldn't read.
You have become like Polvac? dogs. Polvac is a Russian scientist famous for his stimuli experiment
First of all, his experiment was the basis of classical conditioning. His name was Pavlov, not Polvac, so clearly you spent too much time whining and school and too little actually trying to gain something from it.
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If I'm flying solo, at least I'm flying free
Child labor, anyone? Prior to the 1900s there were reform movements to end child labor that were struck down. Then in the Progressive Era, people decided that adults needed jobs and children needed to get educated. Parents couldn't teach their children how to read if they themselves couldn't read.
You have become like Polvac? dogs. Polvac is a Russian scientist famous for his stimuli experiment
First of all, his experiment was the basis of classical conditioning. His name was Pavlov, not Polvac, so clearly you spent too much time whining and school and too little actually trying to gain something from it.
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If I'm flying solo, at least I'm flying free
i am Jack's throbbing head...
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Official Invisible Guerilla Person/ driver of the Godfather, of the HSB
HSB Nickname: Guerilla man
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Official Invisible Guerilla Person/ driver of the Godfather, of the HSB
HSB Nickname: Guerilla man
Enough about oneword's misspelling of Pavlov. We all know oneword got the name wrong, but that doesn't say anything about the merits of the argument, since oneword understands the point of the experiment and is able to clearly apply it to the school situation. It's an extreme exaggeration to say that oneword "clearly...spent too much time whining" in school just for getting a name wrong a couple times.
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Golagros: So you would have us die?
Wiegraf: Not in vain. Take as many nobles with you as possible!
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Golagros: So you would have us die?
Wiegraf: Not in vain. Take as many nobles with you as possible!
"Opinion. "
Fact.
"Fact with a touch of opinion --- Be more specific. Are you talking about crimes against the government, or crimes against religion/humanity/etc."
A crime is a violation of the law. What the hell do you mean by a crime against a religion?
"False fact."
You don't even know what institutionalized racism is, do you?
"However, oneword would contend that such improvements are offset by serious problems in other areas: the dumbing down of society, as well as the fact that many citizens are too weak-willed to oppose even unjust authority."
Funny. It looked like a lot of citizens were protesting against the government before, during and after the Iraq war.
"Civilization is going down hill man"
Bull. Civilization has never been better.
Fact.
"Fact with a touch of opinion --- Be more specific. Are you talking about crimes against the government, or crimes against religion/humanity/etc."
A crime is a violation of the law. What the hell do you mean by a crime against a religion?
"False fact."
You don't even know what institutionalized racism is, do you?
"However, oneword would contend that such improvements are offset by serious problems in other areas: the dumbing down of society, as well as the fact that many citizens are too weak-willed to oppose even unjust authority."
Funny. It looked like a lot of citizens were protesting against the government before, during and after the Iraq war.
"Civilization is going down hill man"
Bull. Civilization has never been better.
Bull. Civilization has never been better.
Only for the 20%. The rest is straving, thristy and living
in a pile of *****.
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Only for the 20%. The rest is straving, thristy and living
in a pile of *****.
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Falkus: Funny. It looked like a lot of citizens were protesting against the government before, during and after the Iraq war.
A good point, one I hadn't thought of.
One possible reply: I would guess that the vast majority of the protesters were either college students or college-educated. (I haven't done research on this, so correct me if you have research to the contrary.) College fosters a much more free-thinking atmosphere than middle school and high school, so it has the effect of reversing some of the detrimental effects of our public schools. I wonder what proportion of people with only a high school education (or less) became protesters, compared with the proportion of college-educated people who marched against the war.
I don't know if this is wholly convincing, even for myself, but I think it has some merit.
Another note about protesters: Earlier, Zelcron made the very valid point that rebellion is not necessarily a sign of being free-thinking. If someone rebels simply because it's the popular thing to do, then he's as much a sheep as the person who obeys because it's the popular thing to do. So not every person who protested the war has necessarily overcome indoctrination. Perhaps some of them were simply indoctrinated by a different source.
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Golagros: So you would have us die?
Wiegraf: Not in vain. Take as many nobles with you as possible!
A good point, one I hadn't thought of.
One possible reply: I would guess that the vast majority of the protesters were either college students or college-educated. (I haven't done research on this, so correct me if you have research to the contrary.) College fosters a much more free-thinking atmosphere than middle school and high school, so it has the effect of reversing some of the detrimental effects of our public schools. I wonder what proportion of people with only a high school education (or less) became protesters, compared with the proportion of college-educated people who marched against the war.
I don't know if this is wholly convincing, even for myself, but I think it has some merit.
Another note about protesters: Earlier, Zelcron made the very valid point that rebellion is not necessarily a sign of being free-thinking. If someone rebels simply because it's the popular thing to do, then he's as much a sheep as the person who obeys because it's the popular thing to do. So not every person who protested the war has necessarily overcome indoctrination. Perhaps some of them were simply indoctrinated by a different source.
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Golagros: So you would have us die?
Wiegraf: Not in vain. Take as many nobles with you as possible!
Why students drop out of high school: the prime reasons
Adolescents drop out of school for two reasons: either they?re massively bored or find school massively meaningless. Despite with the ?authority? says, the students have made a wise choice: leaving an indoctrination institution and getting them selves a head start. And most importantly, avoid the incessant brain washing and drudgery.
To most business, a high school diploma means very little -- oh boy, a piece of paper with declaring the student?s willingness to spend five hours a day learning subjects that are inconsequential. Anyone who reads the news paper knows that high school graduates are border line illiterate, unable to construct sentences that are grammatical correct. Because business discredit high school diploma, students who have no intention of attending university know it makes little difference if they barely pass the course or attain a high grade -- its all the same.
So, it took four years to obtain a ****ing piece of paper with your name on it? A high school diploma has very little value unless you?re attending university. And some students who couldn?t academically enter university, they feel a sense of self failure and defeat, as if they?re dumb. Well, of course ? school has been delivering the subtle message of dumbness through out your 12 years of indoctrination.
Of course, I understand that there are other reasons for dropping out of school such as drug abuse, teenage pregnancy, dysfunctional family etc but the prime reason are rational students who know school is useless.
Then you say its not the diploma, but the accumulative knowledge that counts. Oh yeah? Go to the library and learn on your own. Its cheaper and quicker, too.
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The real purpose behind high school -- students must read!
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You have become like Polvac? dogs. Polvac is a Russian scientist famous for his stimuli experiment.
No, but Pavlov was.
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(RI01) Bob the Cow
Profanity is the linguistic crutch of the inarticulate mother****er.
No, but Pavlov was.
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(RI01) Bob the Cow
Profanity is the linguistic crutch of the inarticulate mother****er.
I must wonder why are people still reading this? Onewordanswer, your topic seemed interesting and convincing at first, but it's getting more and more obvious that you're just making up BS. You refuse to answer most criticisms, and then you make really vague statements in the topic. I'd say it's time to give up on this. How can you claim to know anything about this and still mess up a few facts? You misnamed the scientist Pavlov even after someone corrected you, and you make lots of false statements. For example, you talked about how school's set up as a prison-like environment, with no windows and so on. That's odd: my school has plenty of windows and the teachers are free to decorate their rooms with various posters. About it being meant to teach consumerism: that's odd too. It certainly explains why health class (and other classes) taught us to be careful about advertisements, or why we examined the different forms of propaganda while reading Animal Farm. Sure, there's much to criticize about school. Call me brainwashed if you want, but his conspiracy theory is getting ridiculous.
I'm thinking the reason he hasn't backed anything up is that it's not his work and he doesn't understand what the hell he's posting. I've seen this before, from different people.
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(RI01) Bob the Cow
Profanity is the linguistic crutch of the inarticulate mother****er.
I'm thinking the reason he hasn't backed anything up is that it's not his work and he doesn't understand what the hell he's posting. I've seen this before, from different people.
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(RI01) Bob the Cow
Profanity is the linguistic crutch of the inarticulate mother****er.
Then you say its not the diploma, but the accumulative knowledge that counts. Oh yeah? Go to the library and learn on your own. Its cheaper and quicker, too.
Last time I checked, school was free.
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(RI01) Bob the Cow
Profanity is the linguistic crutch of the inarticulate mother****er.
Last time I checked, school was free.
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(RI01) Bob the Cow
Profanity is the linguistic crutch of the inarticulate mother****er.
Bob: Last time I checked, school was free.
It's free for the students. But people are paying taxes to fund it (at least, for public schools).
It's really sad that taxpayers are required to fund this school system that doesn't do an effective job teaching students how to think; we're really not getting our money's worth when it comes to our property taxes. Every incompetent teacher, and every student who refuses to learn, is wasting our collective money.
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Golagros: So you would have us die?
Wiegraf: Not in vain. Take as many nobles with you as possible!
It's free for the students. But people are paying taxes to fund it (at least, for public schools).
It's really sad that taxpayers are required to fund this school system that doesn't do an effective job teaching students how to think; we're really not getting our money's worth when it comes to our property taxes. Every incompetent teacher, and every student who refuses to learn, is wasting our collective money.
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Golagros: So you would have us die?
Wiegraf: Not in vain. Take as many nobles with you as possible!
It's free for the students. But people are paying taxes to fund it (at least, for public schools).
I realize this. Who do you think pays for the libraries?
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(RI01) Bob the Cow
Profanity is the linguistic crutch of the inarticulate mother****er.
I realize this. Who do you think pays for the libraries?
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(RI01) Bob the Cow
Profanity is the linguistic crutch of the inarticulate mother****er.
Its only the American Dream because you have to be a sleep to believe in it. They didn't call it a dream for nothing!
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The real purpose behind high school -- students must read!
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The real purpose behind high school -- students must read!
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What about daydreams?
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I am Black Adam's poorly maintained website: www.theblinddog.com
Not really sure how your post connects to the overall topic, oneword.
Still, I'd agree that the American dream is little more than a dream for large sections of the population. Working-class families are having a harder and harder time making ends meet.
Newsweek columnist Anna Quindlen has written about this growing problem (http://www.nscahh.org/hunger.asp?id2=11790).
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Golagros: So you would have us die?
Wiegraf: Not in vain. Take as many nobles with you as possible!
Still, I'd agree that the American dream is little more than a dream for large sections of the population. Working-class families are having a harder and harder time making ends meet.
Newsweek columnist Anna Quindlen has written about this growing problem (http://www.nscahh.org/hunger.asp?id2=11790).
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Golagros: So you would have us die?
Wiegraf: Not in vain. Take as many nobles with you as possible!
"Faced with this reality, he rebel without secess. He fought to make a living. He learned to play the game required by society; fitted in his assigned roles, often hating htem and feeling himself a victim."
-- Alvin Tolffer, author of Third Wave.
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The real purpose behind high school -- students must read!
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-- Alvin Tolffer, author of Third Wave.
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The real purpose behind high school -- students must read!
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SHUT UP ONEWORDWIMP!
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"Your imps can make an impression of you; they can even do the ears!" -Ebest
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"Your imps can make an impression of you; they can even do the ears!" -Ebest
"Its only the American Dream because you have to be a sleep to believe in it. They didn't call it a dream for nothing!"
Asleep is one word.
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I used to be omnipotent, then I created a boulder so large that I couldn't lift it, thus negating my own existance.
Asleep is one word.
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I used to be omnipotent, then I created a boulder so large that I couldn't lift it, thus negating my own existance.
Tell me, Ebest, why are you such a staunch supporter of the school system? From the quality of your arguments, I would consider you a prime example of the way in which our nation's schools have failed our youth.
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Golagros: So you would have us die?
Wiegraf: Not in vain. Take as many nobles with you as possible!
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Golagros: So you would have us die?
Wiegraf: Not in vain. Take as many nobles with you as possible!
You're just an immature kid who doesn't want to do homework, so you make a bunch of crap up. None of that makes sense, get a life.
If you put as much work into your homework as your stupid explanation, you'd do well in life.
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If you put as much work into your homework as your stupid explanation, you'd do well in life.
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Also, the school only punishes for things that you've done wrong like homework and talking and crap. That's because it affect your learning.
BUT I do agree with you in a way. You see, some teachers + principles are too lazy and careless to listen and be good teachers. Luckily for me, most of my school life has NOT been like this, nor has been for most people.
I still believe you're just an immature teenager who can't accept he's wrong, but oh well.
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BUT I do agree with you in a way. You see, some teachers + principles are too lazy and careless to listen and be good teachers. Luckily for me, most of my school life has NOT been like this, nor has been for most people.
I still believe you're just an immature teenager who can't accept he's wrong, but oh well.
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Stop flaming, kiddies.
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The real purpose behind high school -- students must read!
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The real purpose behind high school -- students must read!
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Stand up and answer to our calls for debate onewordwimp
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I used to be omnipotent, then I created a boulder so large that I couldn't lift it, thus negating my own existance.
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I used to be omnipotent, then I created a boulder so large that I couldn't lift it, thus negating my own existance.
And I have no desire to proof my points 'right' to a bunch of adolescents. Agree with my point? Cool. Don't agree? I don't give a *****.
You're completely wrong, but I have no desire to prove myself 'right' to an adolescent. Don't agree with my point? Cool. Don't agree? I don't give a ****.
Also, I don't know what five letter word that you'd have to censor could be proper in the context.
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You're completely wrong, but I have no desire to prove myself 'right' to an adolescent. Don't agree with my point? Cool. Don't agree? I don't give a ****.
Also, I don't know what five letter word that you'd have to censor could be proper in the context.
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I think this is worth repeating:
School teaches boredom; teens become bored so they go out and purchase consumer goods thus helping the mega corporations.
And the people who conceived school were indeed the owners of mega corporations.
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The real purpose behind high school -- students must read!
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School teaches boredom; teens become bored so they go out and purchase consumer goods thus helping the mega corporations.
And the people who conceived school were indeed the owners of mega corporations.
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The real purpose behind high school -- students must read!
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LOL!
I wondered who would post something so stupid...
Then I saw I was on the P/C board...
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Ater coming to the WoT board I have lost all faith in freedom of speech...
I wondered who would post something so stupid...
Then I saw I was on the P/C board...
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Ater coming to the WoT board I have lost all faith in freedom of speech...