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by the looks of it, ps3 is won.
From: amberfrey | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:14:41 PM | Message Detail
think about it ps3 only sell 300,000 and wii sell one million but think about it. ps3 sell for 600 and wii sell for 250 that means that every ps3 sold they make a ton more than every wii sell. so in reality it means that ps3 make more money and they have some ps3 on shelves while wii has none on shelves. no one can buy wii while they can buy ps3 so that means sony gets more sells and will won by the end of next year.
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From: TheTruePredator | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:15:44 PM | Message Detail
butyou have to include the factor: sony is losing $200 -300 for every console sold
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From: CloudS | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:15:46 PM | Message Detail
...they lose money on every single PS3. $250 average.
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From: Lord Dubya | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:15:48 PM | Message Detail
I got a headache from your post.
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From: amberfrey | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:17:35 PM | Message Detail
sony is losing $200 -300 for every console sold

ya but they have ps3 on shelves so they make profit from losing profit every console sold.
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From: davidmajere | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:18:05 PM | Message Detail
I work at a gaming store and a customer came in the other day, whos a regular, and he basically buys and sells rare games online for a living. He mentioned that sony will have to sell about 6,000,000 ps3's just to break even from how much they lose per system. I dont know how acurate that is, but considering the price of a blu-ray drive, I wouldnt doubt it...
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From: TheTruePredator | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:18:16 PM | Message Detail
what? that makes no sense
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From: dark_matter06 | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:18:34 PM | Message Detail
by the look of it, your education system has not won.
From: CloudS | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:18:52 PM | Message Detail
ya but they have ps3 on shelves so they make profit from losing profit every console sold.

My head just imploded.
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From: Number43 | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:20:09 PM | Message Detail
If Sony has shipped a lot fewer ps3s than the Wii, and it is starting to be possible to find them on the shelves longer while the Wiis are still selling out extremely quickly when any get in, that is not good news for Sony.
From: mikepicko345 | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:20:13 PM | Message Detail
"ya but they have ps3 on shelves so they make profit from losing profit every console sold."

comments like that is why i love the internet!
From: TheTruePredator | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:20:48 PM | Message Detail
you got brain all over my laptop!!!!!!!!

*off to get a cloth*
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From: djtarantado | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:22:01 PM | Message Detail
i want in on this soon-to-be classic internet hilarity.
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From: djtarantado | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:22:53 PM | Message Detail
"ya but they have ps3 on shelves so they make profit from losing profit every console sold."

*HEAD IMPLODES*
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From: shadowboyz | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:23:10 PM | Message Detail
AHHHHHH!!!

My brain!!! It's ASPLODING!!!
*pop*


Seriously, sony is losing money dude.
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From: plnunn | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:24:45 PM | Message Detail
This very well could be the dumbest topic ever.
From: djtarantado | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:26:01 PM | Message Detail
^^

but dude, you dont understand! THEY MAKE PROFIT FROM LOSING PROFIT!!! lol
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From: TheTruePredator | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:26:01 PM | Message Detail
i'm sorry guys but your going to have to stop with the implosions i've only got so many cloths
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From: mirokus wind tunnel | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:26:16 PM | Message Detail
In before the stupidity influx.
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From: Deus ex Necare | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:27:39 PM | Message Detail
I can drive *chugs the rest of his beer*.
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From: djtarantado | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:28:33 PM | Message Detail
maybe the TC is thinking (negative profit)*(negative profit)=(positive profit). genius!
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From: Shryver | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:29:11 PM | Message Detail
FOOLS! You're all forgetting that there are TWO versions of the PS3. Sure, they sold 300,000 units, but how many of them 20gig, and how many are 60gig? I think you'll find that there's going to be a very different price, when you take that into consideration.
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From: DMan304 | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:29:28 PM | Message Detail
If PS3 sold 300,000 for $600 and Wii sold 1,000,000 for $250...

300,000 * $600 = $180,000,000

1,000,000 * $250 = $250,000,000


Your logic fails miserably.
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From: Lord Dubya | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:29:42 PM | Message Detail
It's a moot point, they're still losing money.
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From: UnaidedCoder | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:30:24 PM | Message Detail
And here come the dumbasses (people who take topic seriously)

*sets up beach chair and popcorn to watch circus*
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From: TheTruePredator | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:31:07 PM | Message Detail
exactly it doesn't matter which console there selling sony are stole losing money
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From: amberfrey | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:31:50 PM | Message Detail
but u forget that people buy controllers ps3 controller is cheaper and wii controller is expensiver because of speakers and rumble feature. ps3 made a good choice to make profit from controller
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From: trick67 | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:34:52 PM | Message Detail
Im pretty sure they are makeing about $10 a controller.

Thats still not much.
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From: mirokus wind tunnel | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:35:14 PM | Message Detail
...uh... yeah, about that. They're probably losing profits on the controller as well.
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From: muttenman | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:42:54 PM | Message Detail
Sony will probably still be selling the PS3 for a loss for at least the next year and a half to two years. Lets assume they sell 5milion systems in that time period and an AVERAGE loss of about $125(Assuming again). If you do the math that is a loss of 625million. That 625million needs to be made up from SEC game sales and future system sales(Assuming they still profit from a system sale at w/e price range). Im guessing that off of system sales alone assuming they will eventually profit from a system sale it will be 4 years or more down the road that the system will break even.

The Xbox system itself never made a profit in its whole life span(Although 360 makes a profit now). In my opinion, Sony will never make a profit from selling a PS3 system because of the cost of the Blu-ray and Hard Drive. By the time that Sony can produce a PS3 for $600 breaking even, the price of 360's and Wiis will be anywhere from $300-$150 and possibly forcing Sony to lower the price of the PS3 to keep up with the current market price.

IMO only 300,000 PS3 units(however many were sold at launch) were available at launch because Sony knew that if they had 1.5million available at launch they would have sold all 1.5million within the week. And with a loss of 250-300 per system that is a 375million to 450million loss. Instead, they are trying to spread out the production of the units over time because hopefully the cost per unit will decrease cutting their losses.
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From: maysaw | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:45:54 PM | Message Detail
WIll blue ray go down like DVDs did?
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From: powpow44_basic | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:46:48 PM | Message Detail
doesnt anyone else realize that sony sells other things BESIDES gaming consoles?? they have movie/reocrding studios, and tvs and what not, so im pretty sure theyre fine even if theyre taking losses from the ps3
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From: amberfrey | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:47:27 PM | Message Detail
Sony will probably still be selling the PS3 for a loss for at least the next year and a half to two years. Lets assume they sell 5milion systems in that time period and an AVERAGE loss of about $125(Assuming again). If you do the math that is a loss of 625million. That 625million needs to be made up from SEC game sales and future system sales(Assuming they still profit from a system sale at w/e price range). Im guessing that off of system sales alone assuming they will eventually profit from a system sale it will be 4 years or more down the road that the system will break even.

but they might sell 5 million ps3 this year. u never no.

The Xbox system itself never made a profit in its whole life span(Although 360 makes a profit now). In my opinion, Sony will never make a profit from selling a PS3 system because of the cost of the Blu-ray and Hard Drive. By the time that Sony can produce a PS3 for $600 breaking even, the price of 360's and Wiis will be anywhere from $300-$150 and possibly forcing Sony to lower the price of the PS3 to keep up with the current market price.

but they might be able to produce ps3 for $600 soon too. u never no. think about it

IMO only 300,000 PS3 units(however many were sold at launch) were available at launch because Sony knew that if they had 1.5million available at launch they would have sold all 1.5million within the week. And with a loss of 250-300 per system that is a 375million to 450million loss. Instead, they are trying to spread out the production of the units over time because hopefully the cost per unit will decrease cutting their losses.

well if that was the plan why didnt they only sell 100 system? they know they would sell that much that week. u guys need to think about it. ps3 will won by the end of next year.

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From: dARK_demonwolf | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:49:29 PM | Message Detail
TC, Wii controllers are cheaper then PS3 controllers. If you get a Wiimote Nunchuk combo, then you get way more for just 10 bucks. And Nintendo gets money from every system sold; Sony loses a bunch on every PS3 sold. And both systems are out of stock dude. Plus, Nintendo has way more units then Sony. By the looks of it, you have not won. (as someone else said)
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From: CoolBlackNight | Posted: 12/4/2006 3:56:45 PM | Message Detail
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From: smizmars | Posted: 12/4/2006 4:08:35 PM | Message Detail
does anybody smell a troll
From: Number43 | Posted: 12/4/2006 4:15:59 PM | Message Detail
I don't believe that Sony deliberately made a shortage in order to spread out the per system launch. It is possible they intended shortages in order to increase hype for the system by the sold out status making people think it is in demand, but if so I think the shortages are more than they wanted, due to the well known production problems.
From: RandomReelDave | Posted: 12/4/2006 4:44:20 PM | Message Detail
but they might sell 5 million ps3 this year. u never no

Wow! so in the next 28 days Sony is going to manufacture, ship, and sell 4 million additional units. I hope this is a joke topic, otherwise I weep for for the future since you are obviously 8.
From: amberfrey | Posted: 12/4/2006 4:45:34 PM | Message Detail
u never no
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From: trick67 | Posted: 12/4/2006 4:47:37 PM | Message Detail
How can you get money from losing money?


Explain.
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From: beefmagic | Posted: 12/4/2006 4:52:37 PM | Message Detail
These desperate "The PS3 ARE WINNER!" topics by insecure fanboys are giving me dysentery!
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From: Number43 | Posted: 12/4/2006 4:55:07 PM | Message Detail
You can make money from losing money, you just have to lose enough money. Eventually you will surpass the maximum negative value allowed by your accounting software, and it will cycle into the maximum positive value, just like when you hit the maximum miles on a car odometer.
From: XPanic | Posted: 12/4/2006 4:56:15 PM | Message Detail
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Is this the return of Ryan Washington?

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From: Paperboy2346 | Posted: 12/4/2006 5:05:56 PM | Message Detail
I officially vote this as the best topic ever made.lol

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"ya but they have ps3 on shelves so they make profit from losing profit every console sold." - amberfrey
From: powpow44_basic | Posted: 12/4/2006 5:08:34 PM | Message Detail
thats the best quote ever, and you CAN make money by losing money but not this way, its called gambling :D its winning BIG even if you lose small alot more times
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From: Harvigro | Posted: 12/4/2006 5:12:19 PM | Message Detail
You guys are funny
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From: Mommorpher | Posted: 12/4/2006 5:22:05 PM | Message Detail
Ok listen originial poster...you are the single dumbest person I have ever heard speak.

1. (300,000)(600) = 180,000,000 and (250)(1,000,000) = 250,000,000 and 250,000,000 > 180,000,000. So you are wrong. Wrong and wrong still, always, and forever.

2. Nintendo makes slight profit on each Wii, lets say its at the very small margin of $0.01/Wii
That means (1,000,000)(.01) = 100,000 of profit. Not bad. Lets look at Sony, they lose $250 on each console so that means (300,000)(-250) = -75,000,000. Interesting.

3. This is of course assuming in #1 all of Sony's console were the $600 version not the $500 version (I dont know what the percentage of the two were to one another). Which, giving you the benefit of the doubt and all...YOU ARE STILL WRONG. Also in #2 I am assuming that Nintendo is making a cent profit on each Wii, it could very easily be a whole dollar or more which would raise their profit to a million completely blowing Sony, who lost SEVENTY-FIVE MILLION, out of the water.

4. You are WRONG!!!

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From: LordFuryX | Posted: 12/4/2006 5:32:32 PM | Message Detail
Honestly? ....The PS3 won the day it was released.

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From: vaioati | Posted: 12/4/2006 5:34:42 PM | Message Detail
its playstation, the thing will sell no matter what.
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From: powpow44_basic | Posted: 12/4/2006 5:40:23 PM | Message Detail
360's and Wii will also sell no matter what, :( im gonan end up getting all 3, they should all just combine to make one console
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