So I have another computer in a different room on a wireless connection. Is that computer on a different usermap, or does it share this computer's usermap since they share IP addresses? Just wondering since I made an alt account on that computer and it didn't get ROed. And I always get RO accounts on this computer.
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from what i understand, if they have the same IP address, they share usermaps.

the reason you could make an alt on the other computer that wasn't set to RO is most likely because of it not having your gamefaqs cookies from the other computer.
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You log into one account, then log into another after logging out without deleting your cookies and you're on a usermap with that account.

And so on.
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Cookies have NOTHING to do with usermaps, at least to my knowledge.
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From: Bladethegreat | Posted: 5/20/2006 12:09:23 AM

I'd take the word of one of the most knowledgeable non-staff users on usermaps word for it, Montie. But then again, Gavi could be wrong.

Yeah, I was just thinking, that's about the best non-staff source you could find on the subject...

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Oh really? I'd like to see anyone with a warned/purged/banned account on their usermap clear their cookies, submit a mod app, and actually be successful with it.
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From: Bladethegreat | Posted: 5/20/2006 12:09:23 AM

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Oh really? I'd like to see anyone with a warned/purged/banned account on their usermap clear their cookies, submit a mod app, and actually be successful with it.

This is completely irrelevant and I said nothing about removing accounts from a usermap. Once an account is already on a usermap cookies mean nothing, all they'll do is expand the time the username remains on a usermap everytime a shared login takes place. How an account gets placed on a usermap is specifically what I was talking about, the only way to get rid of one (as in remove an account from a usermap) is to not login to it while having an active cookie that already lists you being on a another account (for about 30 - 60 days). Usermaps are solely based on cookies, all the automated stuff that links the accounts together are. Any manual stuff (like picking a notorious IP) is obviously done by an admin.

from what i understand, if they have the same IP address, they share usermaps.

To further explain this:

Same IPs do not put accounts on the same usermap, if they did, imagine all the banned accounts from people that are given random IPs when they sign onto the Internet? Obviously they're not going to have a system like that, but rather one that tracks and follows cookies (which are assigned upon logging into an account), now if you log out of this account then log into a different account (while not deleting your cookies), the accounts will obviously be traced as coming from the same user, and will be connected; and thus placed on the same usermap as a login to one account after the other with no change in cookie activity makes it very believable that they are the same person.

Now, if you have an account that is either at level 3, -1 or -2 recorded on your usermap, the system will not allow you to make any accounts above level 4. Of course the most simple way of doing this is to dissociate any new account you may create from that usermap until it's level is set (hence, deleting your cookies to stop the server connecting them as being shared), this alone proves that usermaps cannot be based on IPs. So if you delete the cookies before making a new account, and make sure you DO NOT log back into another one already on the said usermap, the server cannot find your account has an existing usermap, and will ultimately allow the account to go through to level 10. At this time you no longer have to worry about the account being associated.

The above only applies to the most standard of cases, being avoiding a Read-Only account. If you've been banned about 3 minutes before (for something like a suicide) and then quickly create another account obviously the administrators will pick up on this and ban the account as it completely defeats the purpose of the ban. And as such, if this process is followed over and over (user just deletes the cookies, then gets a level 10 account), then the admins will place an ISP review, causing all the accounts made from the ISP go for review, in which case this will be when they use the IP itself to judge whether an account can go through or not.

If users make an account on a proxy, after being banned, don't expect it to last, because it won't. This seems to be the bit where almost every banned user that comes back and gets banned again thinks they're KoSed. I've noticed the admins don't like people using proxies to get around an ISP review, so in many of these cases the user will be banned if it's shown that the account is associated with any banned accounts and is confirmed to have been made off a proxy to simply avoid the review on the ISP as it's unfair to the users that are getting reviewed on that same ISP because of this users actions. If you get banned because you caused your ISP to go under review because you were making too many accounts that were getting banned by simply deleting your cookies, don't whine about it.
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As I said above, assuming you have a good standing ISP (which means a user hasn't abused the whole delete cookie routine to make accounts), almost all reviews will be because a cookie is telling the server that you have a banned account on your usermap, therefor if you remove the cookie that is telling the server you have a bad account level on your usermap, the server will let you create one with no problems (unless an admin steps in, but again, that's not automated); unless of course you have a username that gets reviewed for another reason (i.e. bad username).

It all comes down to the very reason ISPs are reviewed in the first place, which is because users delete their cookies to make accounts to troll, or suicide with. If no users did this, no ISPs would ever have to be placed under full review.
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Goodness that's a lot of text I just read.
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I actually got moderated the last time I posted something like that. -_-
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*knows the secret of usermaps now*
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Don't assume that because IPs don't automatically put accounts on there that they're not being watched in that way though, admins do keep track.
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